[00:00:00] Speaker 03: 23-7083 Bailey versus Beale Mr.. Wood for the appellant But please the court My name is Scott wood. [00:00:11] Speaker 02: I'm attorney from Tulsa, Oklahoma, and I'm here today to represent the appellant Marcus Beale in his appeal from an order of the district court of the Eastern District of Oklahoma and [00:00:27] Speaker 02: The facts of the case are basically this. [00:00:30] Speaker 02: Officer Bill was on duty on the morning of September 21, 2019 when he got radio assigned to a call to meet a Megan Timmons who had been ejected from an apartment where she had been staying. [00:00:47] Speaker 02: The person inside the apartment, [00:00:53] Speaker 02: Jeffrey Peterson, according to her, had kept some of her things and maybe taken some money from her during the night. [00:01:03] Speaker 02: Officer Bill got enough information from her to believe that she had a legal right to be in that apartment, so he escorted her up to the front door so he could stand by while she tried to recollect some of her belongings from that apartment. [00:01:23] Speaker 02: When they got up to the front door, it was a little wobbly. [00:01:28] Speaker 02: She had told him that a few, I think, days earlier she had had to kick the door open and so that it wouldn't shut all the way. [00:01:36] Speaker 03: Don't we have a couple of different points of view that play here on what happened? [00:01:43] Speaker 03: You know, the core legal issue is whether there's a disputed material fact question lurking for which qualified immunity would be impermissible at this stage. [00:01:55] Speaker 03: And the district court found that there were disputed facts about what preceded the officer's entry into the apartment and the ensuing scuffle. [00:02:08] Speaker 03: How do you overcome [00:02:10] Speaker 03: that finding by the district court, is it basically the clear error by the district court, or that there's, if we look at the body cam, there's no alternative version of the facts that could be accepted here? [00:02:25] Speaker 03: How do you wiggle out of that conundrum? [00:02:28] Speaker 02: The court did note that there was no body-borne camera. [00:02:31] Speaker 02: The first backing officer had her camera on. [00:02:34] Speaker 02: And so what happens at the door, according [00:02:39] Speaker 02: to Beale is that he held his hand up to hold this trim from where the door had been kicked open earlier and that Mr. Peterson slammed the door on his arm. [00:02:51] Speaker 02: Ms. [00:02:51] Speaker 03: Timmons, who was preceding him... Her story is slightly different, isn't it? [00:02:56] Speaker 03: I'm sorry? [00:02:57] Speaker 03: Her story is different. [00:02:59] Speaker 02: Ms. [00:02:59] Speaker 02: Timmons says that didn't happen, but the door instead hit her and knocked her into Officer Beale. [00:03:07] Speaker 02: Okay, why don't we need a jury to resolve that conflict? [00:03:11] Speaker 02: I'm sorry, Judge. [00:03:12] Speaker 03: Why don't we need a jury to resolve that conflicting version of what happened? [00:03:18] Speaker 02: I'll tell you why, because both those things could have happened, and the District Court found that what Ms. [00:03:27] Speaker 02: Timmons said happened, happened. [00:03:33] Speaker 02: That's not being controverted by the plaintiff or appellee. [00:03:39] Speaker 02: There's no two ways about it. [00:03:40] Speaker 02: I mean, that constitutes a crime that occurred right in front of Officer Beale. [00:03:49] Speaker 02: His reason for going in there was that he intended to make an arrest for an assault and battery on himself, but there was also probable cause for the crime that had been committed against Ms. [00:04:03] Speaker 02: Timmons, which he witnessed and arguably [00:04:06] Speaker 02: against him because under transferred intent, she gets hit by the door and knocked into Officer Beale. [00:04:15] Speaker 02: The district court made that finding. [00:04:18] Speaker 01: Counsel, did you make that argument in district court? [00:04:22] Speaker 02: I did not, and I'll tell you the reason why. [00:04:27] Speaker 02: I put my eggs in the basket of Officer Beale because this statement by Timmons about how it happened was never revealed in the criminal investigation, the interviews that she gave to the police, and so forth. [00:04:44] Speaker 02: When the backing officer, Officer Canada, arrives, her body camera's on and the first thing that Bill says is, he slammed the door on my arm and told me if I come in there, he's going to treat me like an intruder. [00:04:59] Speaker 02: Well, but Ms. [00:05:02] Speaker 01: Timmons gave her version of what happened in her deposition, and you did have that in hand, right? [00:05:09] Speaker 02: No, not at that... I mean, by the time we wrote our motion for several... Well, that's what I mean. [00:05:13] Speaker 01: Yeah, we did. [00:05:14] Speaker 01: You had an opportunity to make this argument. [00:05:17] Speaker 02: We absolutely did. [00:05:18] Speaker 01: And you didn't do it. [00:05:19] Speaker 02: Yeah. [00:05:20] Speaker 02: As a lawyer, [00:05:23] Speaker 02: I made the decision that I believe the body-worn camera video where he makes that spontaneous utterance, before we know there's going to be a fight, before we know there was a shooting, or any of those things, Beale makes that spontaneous utterance. [00:05:39] Speaker 02: Now, I had no idea that Timmons was going to say that that never occurred. [00:05:50] Speaker 02: And but you're right, we did not argue that that [00:05:55] Speaker 02: that that occurred in our motion for summary judgment, that that was a separate crime. [00:06:00] Speaker 02: We argued some other crimes that could have potentially been charged against Mr. Peterson. [00:06:06] Speaker 02: And the Tenth Circuit case law on probable cause reflects the Supreme Court standard from Davenport versus Alford's 2004 case that says, if you have probable cause to charge for anything [00:06:24] Speaker 02: probable cause will be found, even if they're not charged with it. [00:06:28] Speaker 01: Well, you also acknowledge several times in your brief that if there was probable cause to arrest, the claim is unlawful entry. [00:06:41] Speaker 01: So you would need, or Officer Beal would need, exigent circumstances. [00:06:47] Speaker 02: That is correct. [00:06:49] Speaker 01: And why isn't that an issue for the jury? [00:06:53] Speaker 02: Well, that was never analyzed by the court. [00:06:57] Speaker 02: They just found that because Timmons said that that never happened, that his arm never got slammed, there was no probable cause, which is the springboard. [00:07:07] Speaker 02: for making entry under an exigent circumstance. [00:07:10] Speaker 01: So would it make any sense to remand for the district court to address exigent circumstances because it didn't address exigent circumstances? [00:07:21] Speaker 02: It did not. [00:07:22] Speaker 02: We argued that we had the right to enter and make an arrest under those circumstances. [00:07:29] Speaker 01: My question was whether we should remand that issue. [00:07:33] Speaker 02: Well, I think based on the record, [00:07:37] Speaker 02: with the facts that we have that we take as the district court found them, that there were exigent circumstances for him to make that arrest, hot pursuit. [00:07:51] Speaker 01: No, no, it isn't an exigent circumstance to make an arrest. [00:07:55] Speaker 01: It's an exigent circumstance to enter an apartment without a warrant. [00:08:00] Speaker 01: I mean, those are two issues, right? [00:08:02] Speaker 01: I mean, the arrest is relevant, obviously. [00:08:05] Speaker 01: It is. [00:08:06] Speaker 01: But there's still a little more to it. [00:08:09] Speaker 02: I would agree with you. [00:08:15] Speaker 02: The record reflects that Beale was concerned about Miss Timmons and did not want to leave because of the way things had unfolded. [00:08:25] Speaker 02: Or simply, when he slammed the door, [00:08:27] Speaker 02: just turn around and walk away. [00:08:30] Speaker 02: Instead, he called for backup. [00:08:34] Speaker 02: He had decided by that time he was going to make an arrest and he was going to have to go inside the house to make that arrest because Peterson had blocked the door. [00:08:47] Speaker 02: And if you look at the most recent case law from the Supreme Court on warrantless entry into a home, and I think that's the Lange versus California case, it lists out a number of things that can warrant warrantless entry. [00:09:08] Speaker 02: And that is whether the person could escape, [00:09:14] Speaker 02: And it's in the record that there was a back door to this apartment. [00:09:17] Speaker 02: He was by himself at that time. [00:09:20] Speaker 02: And that he was afraid or he posed a threat to either himself or Ms. [00:09:27] Speaker 02: Timmons because of his statement, I'll shoot you like an intruder. [00:09:31] Speaker 03: So from that standpoint... Is that an undisputed fact? [00:09:36] Speaker 03: Sorry? [00:09:37] Speaker 03: I'll shoot you like an intruder. [00:09:39] Speaker 03: Is that an undisputed fact? [00:09:42] Speaker 03: I believe it is. [00:09:45] Speaker 03: Did Timmons ratify that statement? [00:09:50] Speaker 02: Yes. [00:09:52] Speaker 03: Okay. [00:09:52] Speaker 03: Yes. [00:09:53] Speaker 03: Didn't you argue below that Officer Beale had permission [00:09:58] Speaker 03: parent permission to enter the apartment. [00:10:01] Speaker 02: What happened to that? [00:10:02] Speaker 02: You know, the court found that those facts were kind of modeled, whether or not she even had the power to grant consent for him to enter, but found that after the door was slammed, she made some statements to Officer Bill, hey, just forget about it. [00:10:24] Speaker 02: I don't want to do anything. [00:10:25] Speaker 02: And that's when she runs away and hides behind a tree. [00:10:28] Speaker 02: So you've abandoned that argument. [00:10:31] Speaker 02: Well, you know, we had consent up until the time the door was slammed. [00:10:36] Speaker 02: And then she said, forget about it. [00:10:39] Speaker 02: We maintain that Bill had a reasonable belief that she had a right to go in that apartment because of her history of staying there over the last several months. [00:10:51] Speaker 02: Well, is that an issue for us, or is it not? [00:10:55] Speaker 02: No, because I think after there's probable cause for the arrest, we can forget about the consent part of it. [00:11:02] Speaker 02: I mean, he maybe mistakenly believed that she had a right to go into the house. [00:11:11] Speaker 02: But when she starts in, the door is slammed on her, and then she says, forget about it. [00:11:16] Speaker 02: I don't want to do this. [00:11:20] Speaker 02: The consent goes away, and that's where the probable cause of mortless entry analysis would kick in. [00:11:30] Speaker 01: Can I just ask you about the other part of qualified immunity, the clearly established law step? [00:11:39] Speaker 01: Do you agree that the state argued clearly established law in the district court? [00:11:46] Speaker 02: Oh, yes, yes, on all issues, the excessive force and including the entry. [00:11:54] Speaker 02: Absolutely. [00:11:56] Speaker 02: And of course, we think that the appellee's response to that was lacking. [00:12:04] Speaker 02: I think they cited one case without analysis, US versus Belial. [00:12:11] Speaker 02: I believe that's how you pronounce the case. [00:12:17] Speaker 02: offered no other case law to show the court what the clearly established law was on that issue. [00:12:25] Speaker 02: And we think that they just failed in their heavy burden to meet qualified immunity. [00:12:37] Speaker 02: So I'll reserve the rest of my time. [00:12:40] Speaker 03: OK, thank you, you may. [00:12:44] Speaker 03: Mr. Adams, when are we ready? [00:12:50] Speaker 00: May it please its honorable court. [00:12:53] Speaker 00: As your honor. [00:12:54] Speaker 00: Please identify yourself. [00:12:55] Speaker 00: I'm sorry. [00:12:56] Speaker 00: Attorney Jared Adams on behalf of Mr. Bailey. [00:13:00] Speaker 00: Mr. Bailey in this case, the plaintiff. [00:13:04] Speaker 00: As your honors have pointed out. [00:13:07] Speaker 00: This isn't a case that should be decided on appeal or that should be granted qualified immunity. [00:13:13] Speaker 00: This is a question of fact that exists and the jury should decide. [00:13:17] Speaker 00: I want to start by relaying the facts of the case because they're very important. [00:13:24] Speaker 00: Ms. [00:13:24] Speaker 00: Timmons and Mr. Peterson, [00:13:27] Speaker 00: were in an off again, on again relationship that was fueled by a meth addiction that they both had. [00:13:34] Speaker 00: Mr. Peterson had discovered that Ms. [00:13:36] Speaker 00: Timmons was stepping outside of their relationship with another man and he asked her to leave. [00:13:42] Speaker 00: That morning when he asked her to leave, he placed the things that she had with her outside of the house with her. [00:13:47] Speaker 00: She had claimed that there were some other items in the house left. [00:13:50] Speaker 00: Mr. Peterson called the police and said that [00:13:55] Speaker 00: I am placing her items at the back, at the back step. [00:13:59] Speaker 00: She can retrieve those items. [00:14:00] Speaker 00: Mr. Beal was dispatched at this time. [00:14:03] Speaker 00: He comes to the residence. [00:14:06] Speaker 00: At the time that he comes to the residence, he does not park in front of the apartment. [00:14:10] Speaker 00: He does not announce himself at all. [00:14:13] Speaker 00: He's literally walking with Ms. [00:14:14] Speaker 00: Timmons to the door of this apartment with little information at all. [00:14:18] Speaker 00: When Ms. [00:14:18] Speaker 00: Timmons attempts to open the door, Mr. Peterson slams his door. [00:14:23] Speaker 00: He has absolutely no knowledge that any police are outside his door because he's on the phone with the dispatch. [00:14:30] Speaker 00: And he's explaining to dispatch, she's at my door, she's making noise, I'm going to set her stuff outside of the apartment. [00:14:37] Speaker 00: He literally did everything in his power to avoid what happened. [00:14:41] Speaker 00: And once he realized that Bill was outside of the door, when Bill was trying to push his way into the door, he did tell Officer Bill, if you come into my house, I'm going to treat you like an intruder. [00:14:53] Speaker 00: Per Oklahoma law. [00:14:55] Speaker 00: And that is the law. [00:14:56] Speaker 00: He had absolutely no right to go into this apartment at all. [00:14:59] Speaker 00: This was a domestic dispute that should have been resolved as such. [00:15:03] Speaker 00: And it is a disputed fact. [00:15:05] Speaker 00: And I don't want to go as far as saying Officer Beale is a liar. [00:15:09] Speaker 00: But I'll just say this. [00:15:10] Speaker 00: What are the disputed facts? [00:15:13] Speaker 00: The disputed facts are the entry into the apartment. [00:15:16] Speaker 00: That's the crux of this case, which led to the death of Mr. Peterson. [00:15:21] Speaker 00: We don't have the footage of how the entry was made, but we do see the door, right? [00:15:27] Speaker 00: Ms. [00:15:27] Speaker 00: Simmons is in front of Officer Beal. [00:15:30] Speaker 00: Officer Beal is alleging that he's holding up a piece of door framing, and when a door closes, it closes in his arm. [00:15:38] Speaker 00: Officer Beal, after the death of Mr. Peterson, was placed into an ambulance. [00:15:43] Speaker 00: He never complained, never said anything about his arm at all. [00:15:46] Speaker 00: He literally made up an excuse, and when it failed, [00:15:50] Speaker 00: They're back again with a new one. [00:15:52] Speaker 00: None of these arguments have ever been made because we would have addressed them to the district court. [00:15:56] Speaker 00: The district court heard arguments on this case and they had a difficult job, Your Honors. [00:16:01] Speaker 00: None of these cases are easy. [00:16:03] Speaker 00: No one wins in these qualified immunity cases. [00:16:06] Speaker 00: But this case [00:16:07] Speaker 00: is not for qualified immunity. [00:16:10] Speaker 00: He had no right to enter that apartment. [00:16:12] Speaker 00: He was forewarned that he would be treated as an intruder if he came into that apartment, and he had the legal right to do so. [00:16:18] Speaker 00: And he was on the phone with dispatch, literally trying to resolve the situation. [00:16:24] Speaker 00: A jury should decide whether or not Bill is telling the truth. [00:16:28] Speaker 00: We have a record full of evidence, and I want to make sure I make clear before my time runs. [00:16:34] Speaker 00: The district court didn't make a finding. [00:16:37] Speaker 00: that the door hit Timmons and Timmons hit Officer Beal, the district court cited to the testimony of Timmons and her deposition. [00:16:47] Speaker 00: Mr. Peterson isn't here to tell his version of events. [00:16:50] Speaker 00: The version of events that Mr. Beal says are absolutely disputed by the record. [00:16:55] Speaker 00: It deserved to be in front of a jury. [00:16:57] Speaker 00: This is one of the most difficult arguments I've ever had to make, considering that it was Mother's Day on Sunday. [00:17:03] Speaker 00: And the reason that this is called Bailey v. Beale is because Mr. Peterson is not here to tell his version of events. [00:17:09] Speaker 00: It's his mom who's brought this case. [00:17:11] Speaker 00: She doesn't have closure. [00:17:12] Speaker 00: It deserves to go to a trial in front of a jury. [00:17:14] Speaker 01: Counsel, let me just ask you this. [00:17:17] Speaker 01: We do have Ms. [00:17:18] Speaker 01: Timmons' account of what happened. [00:17:21] Speaker 01: We have her statement. [00:17:23] Speaker 01: We also have her deposition. [00:17:24] Speaker 01: And the appellant, Mr. Beale, is arguing that even if we [00:17:31] Speaker 01: except her version of the fact, there was still the door pushing against her. [00:17:41] Speaker 01: Let's just assume for the sake of this question that Officer Beale had probable cause to arrest Mr. Peterson based on Ms. [00:17:49] Speaker 01: Timmons' account. [00:17:51] Speaker 01: Why doesn't that show that there was no unlawful entry into the apartment? [00:18:01] Speaker 00: When Mr. Peterson is closing his door, he has absolutely no knowledge of who exactly is entering his door. [00:18:08] Speaker 01: I'm asking the question though, it's more of a legal question. [00:18:13] Speaker 01: We're accepting Ms. [00:18:15] Speaker 01: Timmons' version of the facts and assuming that that gave probable cause to arrest. [00:18:24] Speaker 01: If it did, [00:18:25] Speaker 01: than was it permissible for Officer Beal to enter the apartment? [00:18:31] Speaker 00: I say no, Your Honor. [00:18:32] Speaker 01: OK, and why not? [00:18:33] Speaker 00: What's the law on that? [00:18:34] Speaker 00: The law is there is no exigent circumstances for Mr. Beal to have entered that apartment. [00:18:40] Speaker 00: There was none. [00:18:41] Speaker 00: And Your Honor, just think about this for a second. [00:18:42] Speaker 00: I'm glad you raised this question, because now I think about it even more. [00:18:46] Speaker 00: How can someone flee into an apartment that they never left, Your Honor? [00:18:50] Speaker 00: He never left the apartment. [00:18:52] Speaker 00: He simply closed the door of his own apartment. [00:18:55] Speaker 00: The law requires him to do everything he did. [00:18:57] Speaker 00: And this question that is posed by Your Honor should be before the jury. [00:19:03] Speaker 00: That should be a jury question. [00:19:04] Speaker 00: Did he have probable cause to enter into the apartment? [00:19:07] Speaker 00: Is there such thing as transferred attempt assault? [00:19:10] Speaker 00: I've never heard it before, especially when you don't know an officer or anyone else is out there and you're not intending to do harm. [00:19:15] Speaker 00: You're simply intending to close your door. [00:19:17] Speaker 00: It is a question that should be before the jury, whether or not there was probable cause. [00:19:21] Speaker 00: I argue no, Your Honor. [00:19:23] Speaker 00: There is no probable cause. [00:19:25] Speaker 00: There is no assault because Mr. Peterson [00:19:29] Speaker 00: is closing his door. [00:19:31] Speaker 00: He never took the door off the hinges and swung it at anyone. [00:19:34] Speaker 00: He never intended to hurt anyone at all. [00:19:38] Speaker 00: He's closing his door. [00:19:39] Speaker 00: He was frustrated at the relationship. [00:19:41] Speaker 00: He's closing his door. [00:19:42] Speaker 00: This isn't qualified immunity, Your Honor. [00:19:44] Speaker 00: This is a question for the jury. [00:19:45] Speaker 00: The jury should decide whether or not, if there was probable cause, there clearly was no exigent circumstances at all in this case. [00:19:52] Speaker 00: He wasn't committing a crime. [00:19:54] Speaker 00: And he can't flee into an apartment. [00:19:56] Speaker 00: He never left, Your Honor. [00:19:57] Speaker 03: Couldn't the officer have [00:19:59] Speaker 03: believe that he was wrongfully holding Ms. [00:20:02] Speaker 03: Timmons' property, kind of a version of theft, and wouldn't that give him probable cause to arrest for that arguable crime? [00:20:15] Speaker 03: And that brings us back to exigent circumstances as whether he could consummate the arrest with the [00:20:26] Speaker 03: belief that property might be destroyed or whatever. [00:20:32] Speaker 03: Why wouldn't that get him into the apartment? [00:20:35] Speaker 00: Your Honor, that's not an entity in circumstances, is what the plaintiff would argue in this case. [00:20:40] Speaker 00: And also, all Mr. Beal had to do was talk to his dispatch. [00:20:44] Speaker 00: And he would know that Mr. Peterson was on the phone. [00:20:47] Speaker 00: And he was setting the property outside the house. [00:20:50] Speaker 00: There was other facts in this case, Your Honor. [00:20:52] Speaker 00: I don't want to slander this officer. [00:20:53] Speaker 00: I'll just say this. [00:20:55] Speaker 00: He has displayed conduct of being a hothead, and this fits right into that narrative. [00:21:01] Speaker 00: There was absolutely no de-escalation at all in this case. [00:21:05] Speaker 00: There was no, hey, Mr. Peterson, you should come out here and talk to me at all. [00:21:09] Speaker 00: He immediately started to break into the door of this house because he was mad. [00:21:13] Speaker 00: He was mad because Peterson closed the door and refused to address him, and he had the legal right to do so. [00:21:19] Speaker 00: Again, we'll say this, Your Honor, these cases are tough. [00:21:24] Speaker 00: No one wins in these cases of qualified immunity. [00:21:28] Speaker 03: On the clearly established prong, what cases are you relying on? [00:21:33] Speaker 00: Well, Your Honor, on the clearly established prong, [00:21:40] Speaker 00: I would say this. [00:21:42] Speaker 00: We cite to a McDonald case, but I think that the Supreme Court case in Salsa is more important, where the Supreme Court has abandoned this two-step process of holding the court to decide qualified immunity, addressing these different steps. [00:22:00] Speaker 00: It's really two prongs now, Your Honor. [00:22:02] Speaker 00: It is the first step of whether or not there was a constitutional right violation, and the second step [00:22:07] Speaker 00: is decide whether the constitutional right was clearly established. [00:22:12] Speaker 00: And Your Honor, it was in this case, Your Honor. [00:22:16] Speaker 00: It was. [00:22:16] Speaker 00: It was clearly established. [00:22:18] Speaker 03: So Saucer is the case law that you're authorizing? [00:22:21] Speaker 00: Saucer is a case law that we cite and we depend on along with McDonald, Your Honor. [00:22:28] Speaker 00: And in this case, and I'll cite the portion that we've quoted in our brief. [00:22:38] Speaker 00: There are no extraordinary circumstances to excuse Beale's failure to make any type of get a warrant or anything like that to go into the house. [00:22:47] Speaker 00: There was no flight of risk. [00:22:49] Speaker 00: There was no safety. [00:22:50] Speaker 00: Property does not equal exigent circumstances, Your Honor. [00:22:55] Speaker 00: And McDonough addresses this, where it talks about the clearly established element. [00:23:00] Speaker 00: And in this case, Your Honor, we really are [00:23:05] Speaker 00: shooting from a far distance because this is the first time we've ever heard this argument of it not being clearly established. [00:23:13] Speaker 00: It was never addressed at all on the district court level. [00:23:16] Speaker 03: And Yara, again, I... Is it your burden to defeat qualified burden immunity to show both a constitutional violation and that it's a clearly established constitutional violation? [00:23:27] Speaker 03: That's your obligation in the district court. [00:23:31] Speaker 03: It is, Your Honor. [00:23:32] Speaker 03: And I think you represented that you relied on two cases below. [00:23:35] Speaker 00: Yes. [00:23:36] Speaker 03: And yet the district court didn't really seem to make a legal ruling on the clearly established point. [00:23:46] Speaker 03: What do we do about that? [00:23:47] Speaker 00: I think, Your Honor, they did. [00:23:50] Speaker 00: And I think that they did so by clearly stating in its pan that there was a disputed fact here. [00:23:59] Speaker 00: It was a disputed fact on the version of events. [00:24:02] Speaker 00: Because if you are to believe Bill, then yeah. [00:24:06] Speaker 00: I mean, hey, we're not here. [00:24:07] Speaker 00: We don't have an argument. [00:24:09] Speaker 00: We may lose. [00:24:11] Speaker 00: But there's a clearly disputed fact on the entry into the apartment or the right to enter into an apartment. [00:24:17] Speaker 03: Bill was- I know, but we decide cases all the time where we assume a constitutional violation. [00:24:24] Speaker 03: So we can grant your version of the facts and assume a constitutional violation. [00:24:31] Speaker 03: Yet we still have an obligation on appeal is to make the legal determination whether, based on your view of the facts, it's still clearly established enough for a reasonable officer to have known beyond doubt that his violation was clear. [00:24:51] Speaker 00: Your Honor, my response, and I have three minutes left, my response to that, Your Honor, is that the district court got it right. [00:24:55] Speaker 00: It was clearly a disputed fact here. [00:24:58] Speaker 00: There was no right for Beal to enter into this apartment, and it was clearly established that he had to have a warrant to have entered into this apartment with some exigent circumstances to do so. [00:25:08] Speaker 00: He had none. [00:25:09] Speaker 01: Did the district court analyze any of the clearly established law argument you presented, including the unpublished, was it an unpublished case, Belial? [00:25:24] Speaker 00: I can't say for certain whether or not they specifically addressed the clearly established portion. [00:25:34] Speaker 01: Is that something that the district court should... [00:25:38] Speaker 01: should have to do? [00:25:39] Speaker 00: I don't think so, Your Honor. [00:25:41] Speaker 00: I believe that the disputed fact here is what reigns supreme in a constitutional rights violation. [00:25:49] Speaker 00: I think it's clearly established that you can't enter into someone's apartment without a warning or exigent circumstances. [00:25:54] Speaker 00: And so if that is the dispute, that is a disputed fact that should be before the jury. [00:25:58] Speaker 00: A court shouldn't decide that whether or not, with these disputed facts, [00:26:05] Speaker 00: somehow, some way, is able to get qualified immunity based on these disputed facts. [00:26:11] Speaker 00: The district court did its job, Your Honor. [00:26:13] Speaker 00: Again, I believe that when we argue this case before the district court, the district court specifically asks questions about the door and the entry of the door. [00:26:25] Speaker 00: They hinge on that a lot. [00:26:27] Speaker 00: And I believe that this is why this case was ruled in favor of the plaintiff. [00:26:31] Speaker 00: It deserves to be before a jury. [00:26:32] Speaker 00: If the jury believes that the [00:26:34] Speaker 00: had his hand stuck in the door, or his new argument that transferred intent, someone hit him. [00:26:41] Speaker 00: That's all a question for the jury to decide. [00:26:44] Speaker 00: Not qualified immunity. [00:26:45] Speaker 00: This man was in his own home. [00:26:48] Speaker 00: In his own home, on the phone with the police. [00:26:51] Speaker 00: A domestic dispute. [00:26:52] Speaker 00: He wasn't committing a crime. [00:26:54] Speaker 00: He never evoked outside of the apartment, so he never fled back inside of it. [00:26:58] Speaker 00: This should be before a jury, and his case should have closure. [00:27:02] Speaker 00: With your honors having no other questions, I'll rest on our brief. [00:27:04] Speaker 00: Thank you, Council. [00:27:07] Speaker 03: Thank you. [00:27:07] Speaker 03: Mr. Wood, you had some rebuttal? [00:27:17] Speaker 02: As a court knows, if a court has a qualified immunity issue before it, it can skip prong one and go straight to prong two for an analysis just to see as a bench stone, is there any law out there that would tell the defendant that what he was doing was a constitutional violation? [00:27:41] Speaker 02: A court can find no constitutional violation under prong one, and a prong two analysis is not necessary, like the court did here on the excessive force claim. [00:27:53] Speaker 02: They found that the excessive force [00:27:55] Speaker 02: was a constitutional use of force and therefore did not do a prong to analysis. [00:28:01] Speaker 02: But as to probable cause in the entry, the court did not do any analysis with regard to that, instead just said this one disputed fact precludes the finding of probable cause and qualified immunity. [00:28:18] Speaker 02: And that was it. [00:28:19] Speaker 02: And so not only did the plaintiff [00:28:23] Speaker 02: fail in their burden to set forth the clearly established law, the court provided no analysis as well. [00:28:33] Speaker 02: The one case they did talk about, U.S. [00:28:36] Speaker 02: v. Belial, [00:28:39] Speaker 02: It factually is so dissimilar from the facts of this case. [00:28:45] Speaker 02: That was a Topeka case where the police are called. [00:28:48] Speaker 02: A man's got a gun in his apartment. [00:28:52] Speaker 02: The wife runs to the neighbor's house. [00:28:55] Speaker 02: The neighbor takes the child in. [00:28:56] Speaker 02: A detective comes and they get in and arrest Mr. Belial for possession of a firearm, AFCF. [00:29:06] Speaker 02: So, I mean, the facts, even if they had analyzed that, the facts are so different. [00:29:12] Speaker 02: And as we know, bond versus telecall requires us, in all the progeny before that, that there must be a factually similar case, not identical, but similar, and that courts cannot [00:29:26] Speaker 02: apply that standard at too high a generality. [00:29:32] Speaker 02: So, in concluding, I would like to ask the court to reverse the district court on the issue of the unlawful entry and find that Defendant Marcus Beale is entitled to qualified immunity. [00:29:49] Speaker 02: Thank you. [00:29:50] Speaker 03: Thank you, Counselor. [00:29:52] Speaker 03: The case shall be submitted. [00:29:54] Speaker 03: Counsel, excuse me. [00:29:55] Speaker 03: We appreciate your arguments.