[00:00:00] Speaker 02: versus Garland. [00:00:01] Speaker 02: It's number 239589 and counsel you may proceed. [00:00:12] Speaker 00: Good morning, Your Honors. [00:00:14] Speaker 00: May it please the Court? [00:00:16] Speaker 00: My name is Saad Ahmed and I represent the petitioner Mr. Amarjeet Singh in this petition for review from a decision of the Board of Immigration Appeals in which the Board affirmed the immigration judge's decision to deny Mr. Singh's asylum and the holding of removal application on the sole ground that Mr. Singh failed to demonstrate that the Indian government would be unable and unwilling to protect him from private persecutors. [00:00:41] Speaker 00: This petition for review should be granted because the immigration judge whose decision was affirmed and adopted by the board made an incorrect analysis of this Unable and Unwilling to Control finding. [00:01:01] Speaker 00: When the court determines whether a country has the ability or willingness to protect its citizens, [00:01:08] Speaker 00: The court looks at two types of evidence generally. [00:01:11] Speaker 00: It looks at the country's response to private persecution, and then it also looks at general country conditions. [00:01:18] Speaker 00: In this case, the immigration judge held that Mr. Singh was adequately protected by the Indian government, and therefore he had reason to believe that he will be adequately protected in the future. [00:01:37] Speaker 00: And the basis of that decision was that the corrupt police officers who framed Mr. Singh in a fabricated case were dismissed from their posts and also Mr. Singh was acquitted. [00:01:50] Speaker 00: That was the extent of immigration judges unable and unwilling to control finding. [00:01:56] Speaker 04: But those two things were not related, were they? [00:01:59] Speaker 00: That's correct, Your Honor. [00:02:00] Speaker 00: They were not related. [00:02:02] Speaker 00: The officers were dismissed in an unrelated case. [00:02:06] Speaker 00: This was not Mr Singh's case. [00:02:08] Speaker 00: And Mr Singh was acquitted because the prosecutor failed to meet his burden of proof. [00:02:14] Speaker 00: It was not because of corruption. [00:02:16] Speaker 00: So those facts had nothing to do with whether the Indian government would be able to protect Mr Singh from crime and harm. [00:02:27] Speaker 00: In this case, there was no evidence whatsoever offered by the immigration judge that [00:02:36] Speaker 00: established that there was a reasonable ground to believe that Mr. Singh would be protected by the Indian government. [00:02:46] Speaker 04: What's our standard of review in terms of whether we agree or disagree with the determination that the Indian government was willing to protect? [00:02:57] Speaker 00: Well, Your Honor, for factual findings, it's substantial evidence, and for legal findings, it's de novo review. [00:03:05] Speaker 00: And with respect to factual findings, the court must affirm the immigration judge's finding if the record was inconclusive or the record was mixed and the judge made a reasonable inference. [00:03:23] Speaker 00: In this case, the judge made factual errors, mischaracterized the evidence, failed to explain his decision in a discernible way for this court to be able to review it. [00:03:35] Speaker 00: And therefore we believe that immigration judges' decision cannot stand on this ground. [00:03:39] Speaker 02: Who had the burden of demonstrating unwilling or unable to protect? [00:03:47] Speaker 00: The applicant has the burden to show that the government of a country cannot protect him from private harm, private persecutors. [00:03:56] Speaker 00: And in this case, Mr. Singh had the burden. [00:04:01] Speaker 00: In this case, [00:04:02] Speaker 00: Mr Singh feared harm from the opposition parties. [00:04:05] Speaker 00: He was not fearing harm from the police. [00:04:10] Speaker 00: So whether the police officers were dismissed and he was acquitted had no relevance to whether the Indian government could protect him. [00:04:18] Speaker 00: If anything, that only showed that perhaps if someone was framed in India on a false charge, that the criminal justice systems may be able to protect him. [00:04:28] Speaker 04: I thought he did also testify he was afraid of the police because the reason he didn't go back the second day after the second physical assault was because he was, in part, because he was afraid. [00:04:45] Speaker 04: And so, I mean, he was afraid of both, wasn't he? [00:04:49] Speaker 00: Yes. [00:04:50] Speaker 00: Well, his main problem was with the opposition party. [00:04:53] Speaker 00: He was afraid to go to the police because they illegally arrested him [00:04:58] Speaker 00: They fabricated a criminal charge against him. [00:05:00] Speaker 00: They tortured him. [00:05:02] Speaker 00: So he was reluctant to go back to the police. [00:05:05] Speaker 00: And the State Department reports, which are part of the administrative record, establish that there's widespread corruption in India within the police forces, lack of accountability. [00:05:19] Speaker 00: There is, you know, prosecutions are very low, in part because there's lack of trained police officers. [00:05:27] Speaker 00: and therefore the country condition evidence, which the immigration judge completely ignored. [00:05:33] Speaker 00: I mean, the immigration judge said that India is a democracy and holds fair elections, but it has nothing to do with this situation. [00:05:43] Speaker 00: A country's ability to protect its citizens from private harm has to be based on the specific facts of the case. [00:05:52] Speaker 00: Now, in cases where this court and other courts of appeals [00:05:57] Speaker 00: have found substantial evidence in the record to affirm the agency's finding is when the authorities tried to investigate, even if they failed or if the record was inconclusive. [00:06:19] Speaker 00: And then in those type of situations, the court can affirm the judge's finding, but not in this case, Your Honors. [00:06:27] Speaker 01: What are the legal disputes that you're raising that you want us to review de novo? [00:06:34] Speaker 00: Well, Your Honor, we believe that the immigration judge's decision also indicates that he did not properly apply this standard as a second argument because I believe that he stopped. [00:06:48] Speaker 00: He said that it would not be futile or Indian government would be completely helpless in controlling private persecution. [00:06:57] Speaker 00: The unable and unwilling to control is a two-pronged analysis. [00:07:00] Speaker 00: A country may be willing to protect its citizens from private harm, but may be unable to do so. [00:07:09] Speaker 00: So we believe that that's also a legal error. [00:07:12] Speaker 01: What exactly was the legal error? [00:07:14] Speaker 01: That the judge treated it as though it's conjunctive instead of disjunctive? [00:07:19] Speaker 01: Is that what you're saying? [00:07:21] Speaker 00: Yes. [00:07:21] Speaker 00: Yes, Your Honor. [00:07:22] Speaker 00: We believe that judge [00:07:24] Speaker 00: just stopped. [00:07:25] Speaker 00: The judge never considered country condition reports that explained that it's almost impossible. [00:07:31] Speaker 00: I mean, the country condition reports paint a horrific picture. [00:07:35] Speaker 01: What do you mean didn't consider? [00:07:37] Speaker 01: Do you mean was unaware of or didn't give enough credence in your opinion? [00:07:42] Speaker 00: Your Honor, we believe that he did not give enough credence to that in the decision because his decision does not really reflect [00:07:53] Speaker 00: that he gave enough reasoning for this court. [00:08:01] Speaker 02: Your Honor, could I just make sure I'm understanding your legal argument again. [00:08:07] Speaker 02: I took from your brief that you were arguing that the BIA committed legal error because it considered whether the government was unwilling but did not consider whether it was unable. [00:08:23] Speaker 02: Now, am I understanding that correctly? [00:08:26] Speaker 00: That is one of our arguments. [00:08:28] Speaker 00: We believe that that is the legal error because immigration judges looked at the alleged willingness of the Indian government at the highest authorities to maybe read corruption. [00:08:39] Speaker 00: But there's no evidence that they're successfully able to do that. [00:08:46] Speaker 02: And just to make sure we're clear on the scope of your argument this morning, [00:08:53] Speaker 02: You're not contending that there was error by the BIA in failing to find government persecution. [00:09:01] Speaker 02: You're limiting this to whether the government was willing and able to... That's correct, Your Honor. [00:09:09] Speaker 02: That's correct. [00:09:09] Speaker 02: Thank you. [00:09:10] Speaker 00: Your Honor, the immigration judge unreasonably [00:09:17] Speaker 00: unreasonably decided that Mr. Singh should have reported to the police the second time he was attacked by the opposition parties, even though there is no requirement in the analysis with respect to this issue. [00:09:33] Speaker 00: You're not required to report to the police if it would be futile or it would expose you to more harm or danger your life. [00:09:42] Speaker 00: Basically, immigration judge failed to conduct a holistic [00:09:47] Speaker 00: analysis of the record, which is the standard. [00:09:50] Speaker 00: Immigration just stopped on the first step of the analysis, which is, okay, there's evidence that the police, I'm sorry, the authorities were willing to protect Mr. Singh, but not the second part of the analysis. [00:10:08] Speaker 00: And we believe that this one-dimensional analysis cannot stand in this. [00:10:12] Speaker 00: And we believe that's why this court should reverse. [00:10:18] Speaker 02: failure to report the 2017 attack. [00:10:23] Speaker 02: In other words, he went to the police. [00:10:26] Speaker 02: They said, come back the next day. [00:10:28] Speaker 02: He doesn't come back. [00:10:30] Speaker 02: And when he doesn't come back, it seems to me that you have to rely on a futility argument, because if he doesn't report, how is the government supposed to protect him, right? [00:10:47] Speaker 02: So it comes down to futility. [00:10:49] Speaker 02: Yes. [00:10:49] Speaker 02: All right. [00:10:50] Speaker 02: And what's your best evidence on that? [00:10:53] Speaker 00: Well, the country condition reports paint a horrific picture. [00:10:57] Speaker 00: Corruption, lack of management. [00:10:59] Speaker 00: Even if he managed, even if Mr. Singh had managed to report, it's highly unlikely that the police would have done anything to protect him from private parties. [00:11:09] Speaker 00: And one of, in the unable and unwilling to control analysis, one fact that is very important is [00:11:16] Speaker 00: how quickly the authorities protect someone. [00:11:19] Speaker 00: Unable and unwilling to protect does not mean that maybe at some future time, Mr. Singh or someone who fears private harm would be protected. [00:11:28] Speaker 00: It is at the time how quickly, because they may not be, excuse me, I'm sorry. [00:11:35] Speaker 00: And therefore, we believe that this case should be remanded to the board for a correct analysis. [00:11:45] Speaker 00: of the record under the ordinary remand rule. [00:11:48] Speaker 00: This court cannot engage in fact finding or decide an issue in the first instance. [00:11:53] Speaker 00: So we believe that the board should decide this issue in the first instance. [00:11:58] Speaker 04: Can you point me to what in the country report you're relying on in terms of the horrific conditions and indication that the country was unwilling to or unable to protect Mr. Singh? [00:12:15] Speaker 00: Yes, Your Honor. [00:12:16] Speaker 00: If you look at Administrative Record 271, it clearly says lack of accountability, police corruption, impunity from any legal action, overburdened court system. [00:12:41] Speaker 00: That is a very strong evidence when the judge never even mentioned this evidence in the decision. [00:12:47] Speaker 00: And when the judge does not mention dispositive or potentially dispositive evidence, that indicates that immigration judge did not consider it. [00:12:56] Speaker 00: While immigration judge does not have to mention every piece of evidence, but there has to be some indication that he considered the evidence. [00:13:05] Speaker 00: In this case, the country condition evidence that the judge considered was irrelevant. [00:13:09] Speaker 00: to the finding that the Indian government was able and willing to protect Mr. Singh. [00:13:15] Speaker 01: Was the information put before the immigration judge? [00:13:18] Speaker 00: Yes, Your Honor. [00:13:19] Speaker 01: And was it argued? [00:13:21] Speaker 00: Your Honor, it was argued by counsel at the trial. [00:13:27] Speaker 01: So we know for a fact that the immigration judge at least knew about it. [00:13:31] Speaker 00: Yes, Your Honor. [00:13:32] Speaker 00: It was part of the administrative record. [00:13:34] Speaker 00: And immigration judges are not Article III judges. [00:13:37] Speaker 00: They're administrative law judges. [00:13:39] Speaker 00: And their job is not just to, their job is to review the record, even if it was not presented by counsel. [00:13:47] Speaker 00: But in this case, the Department of State reports were part of the administrative record. [00:13:53] Speaker 01: So what would have been satisfactory then from the immigration judge that you would say would have met the standard you're requiring today? [00:14:01] Speaker 00: Well, if the immigration judge had said that, well, the country condition reports are not very [00:14:08] Speaker 00: you know, are not very favorable. [00:14:10] Speaker 00: It seems that there's a lot of corruption. [00:14:13] Speaker 00: On the other hand, let's see if the facts were different. [00:14:15] Speaker 00: Let's say Mr. Singh's beating had been investigated by the police and by the authorities. [00:14:21] Speaker 00: I think this would be a different case altogether. [00:14:24] Speaker 00: Because then the judge would say, okay, there's evidence on the record that shows that the police tried to protect him, authorities tried to protect him, and the record is mixed. [00:14:32] Speaker 00: So that's what it comes down to. [00:14:36] Speaker 00: that when the record is mixed, judge can make reasonable inferences. [00:14:39] Speaker 00: But in this case, the record was not mixed. [00:14:42] Speaker 00: The record clearly showed that the immigration judge failed to consider all the evidence and that the facts that he did consider were irrelevant to this case. [00:14:57] Speaker 01: And just to be sure, you're not pursuing the withholding of removal or the CAD claims? [00:15:02] Speaker 00: You're not pursuing withholding because [00:15:05] Speaker 00: the burden of proof or the standard of proof in withholding is higher than asylum. [00:15:09] Speaker 00: So if he succeeds on the asylum case, or if he doesn't succeed on the asylum case, he wouldn't meet the burden for withholding. [00:15:18] Speaker 00: Thank you. [00:15:19] Speaker 00: Thank you, Your Honor. [00:15:20] Speaker 00: Thank you. [00:15:38] Speaker 03: Good morning, Your Honors, and may it please the court, Cory Farrell on behalf of the government. [00:15:43] Speaker 03: The only issue before the court is whether the record compels reversal of the determination that petitioner failed to meet his burden of proving the Indian government is unable or unwilling to protect him. [00:15:56] Speaker 03: Petitioner has not shown that no reasonable fact finder could have found as the agency did. [00:16:01] Speaker 03: Were the government authorities previously acted against corrupt officials? [00:16:06] Speaker 02: Could I just ask you why is that the only issue? [00:16:09] Speaker 02: Because counsel told us that he has a legal objection to and it seems you've opened with the substantial evidence issue. [00:16:19] Speaker 02: So don't you need to address the legal issue argument too? [00:16:24] Speaker 03: The government's position is that petitioner is disputing the immigration judge's weighing of the evidence. [00:16:30] Speaker 03: And the immigration judge fully considered the evidence. [00:16:34] Speaker 03: You left off discussing the country conditions evidence. [00:16:38] Speaker 03: And I'd just like to point to page 99 of the administrative record, the paragraph that starts, country conditions report state that India is a democracy and holds free [00:16:53] Speaker 03: fair and free elections. [00:16:54] Speaker 03: And then the immigration judge goes on to acknowledge that there are major issues with corruption in the Indian police forces. [00:17:01] Speaker 03: So the immigration judge did consider the country conditions. [00:17:06] Speaker 04: But what the immigration judge then did is the immigration judge said, but here they prosecuted the police officers who trumped up charges against Mr. Singh and they dismissed the charges. [00:17:22] Speaker 04: They're not related. [00:17:23] Speaker 04: The litigation against Mr. Singh went on for another three years after those officers were prosecuted for graft and corruption, and they were prosecuted for a totally different case. [00:17:40] Speaker 04: And that doesn't seem to be, the IJ doesn't seem to acknowledge that. [00:17:46] Speaker 03: That's correct, Your Honor, that it was a totally different case, and Petitioner testified [00:17:51] Speaker 03: Mr. Singh testified that he did not report the abuse that he suffered at the hands of police. [00:17:56] Speaker 03: The second time. [00:17:58] Speaker 03: Or the first time. [00:17:59] Speaker 03: He said that he informed his attorney, but he said no one reported it to authorities. [00:18:06] Speaker 03: So yes, it was a different case. [00:18:09] Speaker 03: The government authorities were not made aware of the harm he experienced at the hands of police in 2000. [00:18:17] Speaker 03: But the evidence [00:18:19] Speaker 03: against or showing that these police officers were removed, these corrupt police officers who did harm Mr. Singh, does show that the government is taking action against corrupt officials. [00:18:34] Speaker 03: Also in the State Department Human Rights Report at page 287, it's [00:18:41] Speaker 03: It acknowledges that corruption is a problem and then states that there were also cases of security officials held accountable for illegal actions. [00:18:50] Speaker 03: Also at page 287, the Human Rights Report states that authorities tried cases against law enforcement officers in public courts. [00:19:00] Speaker 03: At page 291, it discusses a judicial remedy in the form of public interest litigation [00:19:06] Speaker 03: which have made government officials accountable. [00:19:09] Speaker 03: So if you take this evidence and look at the specific facts of Mr. Singh's case and the actions that were taken there, it is reasonable for the immigration judge to conclude that there was evidence that the government was able and willing to protect him. [00:19:26] Speaker 01: Are you sure that the record supports that he didn't report the 2000 attack? [00:19:33] Speaker 03: I believe his testimony, there was a testimony about his discussion with his attorney. [00:19:39] Speaker 03: I could be mistaken, Your Honor, but I believe he said that he did not report that the 2000, not the 2000 attack by the opposition party members. [00:19:50] Speaker 03: I was referring to the harm at the hands of police. [00:19:54] Speaker 01: The police being that they would fabricate an account? [00:19:58] Speaker 03: Correct, and detained him. [00:20:01] Speaker 03: And allegedly tortured him? [00:20:02] Speaker 03: And allegedly tortured him, yes. [00:20:04] Speaker 04: Stretched his legs. [00:20:05] Speaker 04: And you're saying the record shows that he never reported any of those events to the government? [00:20:13] Speaker 03: I believe that's correct, Your Honor. [00:20:15] Speaker 03: I don't have the site in front of me. [00:20:20] Speaker 03: But there was a discussion with his attorney who he retained to fight the charges against him. [00:20:28] Speaker 02: How do you deal with the fact that it is the government that was carrying out these acts? [00:20:35] Speaker 02: So they would be complicit in the persecution of Mr. Singh. [00:20:40] Speaker 03: And I think it's important to remember, Your Honor, how Mr. Singh framed his asylum claim. [00:20:46] Speaker 03: Before the board, he talks about fear of these private actors and private harm. [00:20:51] Speaker 03: And before this court in several places, he references, he frames his claim as a fear of private actors and not government harm. [00:21:00] Speaker 04: But he also, he clearly also argues that he was afraid of the police and with good reason. [00:21:07] Speaker 04: After his experience in, I think, 2000, he didn't want to report to the police because he didn't want to be in three years of litigation or be tortured if he reported it. [00:21:22] Speaker 03: And Your Honor, he did say that he was scared of the police. [00:21:27] Speaker 03: Also, however, when asked why he didn't trust the police on page 158 of the administrative record, he said it was because of cases against opposition parties in the news, not because of his prior experiences. [00:21:42] Speaker 03: And while this past harm may be some evidence of why he was afraid to go to the police, [00:21:52] Speaker 03: The agency reasonably weighed that against the subsequent actions taken against corrupt officers, clearing of petitionary charges, and the country conditions evidence. [00:22:03] Speaker 03: And under the substantial evidence standard of review, when we're looking at facts, this court may not reweigh the facts. [00:22:09] Speaker 03: And we have case, this court has cases that talks about where the evidence is mixed, as it is in this case, that that does not compel reversal of the agency's decision. [00:22:21] Speaker 02: Was there any evidence that the police apprehended or attempted to apprehend the opposition party members who attacked Mr. Singh? [00:22:31] Speaker 02: And that would show willingness and ability. [00:22:34] Speaker 02: But is there anything in the record that that happened? [00:22:37] Speaker 03: No, Your Honor, there's not. [00:22:38] Speaker 03: And that's why then we go into this futility and the lack of knowledge about what the police would have done if he would have made a report. [00:22:51] Speaker 03: At this point, there's no evidence that the police were aware of his attacks by opposition party members. [00:22:59] Speaker 04: Well, the first one, the 2001 he reported. [00:23:02] Speaker 04: Yes, that's correct. [00:23:04] Speaker 04: Was there any attempt to go after those assailants? [00:23:08] Speaker 03: There's no evidence on the record whether there was or not. [00:23:13] Speaker 03: I was referring to the subsequent incidents in 2017. [00:23:21] Speaker 03: If the court has no further questions, for going reasons, the record is not compelled reversal of the immigration judge's decision. [00:23:32] Speaker 02: Thank you. [00:23:32] Speaker 02: Thank you, counsel. [00:23:34] Speaker 02: I don't believe you have time left, so we will consider the case submitted, and counsel