[00:00:01] Speaker 00: Case number 14-7092, Albert J. Adams' appellant versus District of Columbia. [00:00:06] Speaker 00: Mr. Fuchs for the appellant, Ms. [00:00:08] Speaker 00: Johnson for the appellee. [00:00:48] Speaker 01: Good morning, Your Honor. [00:00:51] Speaker 01: James Fuchs for the appellant. [00:00:54] Speaker 01: In the 1920s, Italo Svago wrote a novel about a Trieste businessman called The Confessions of Zeno. [00:01:02] Speaker 01: In that novel, the businessman wrote his memoirs at the behest of his psychiatrist. [00:01:08] Speaker 01: In writing those memoirs, whenever there was an inconvenient memory or detail, [00:01:14] Speaker 01: He simply changed the memory or the detail so that the past would come out in accordance with the way he thought that it should have come out. [00:01:25] Speaker 01: That, Your Honors, is precisely what the appellee has done here. [00:01:30] Speaker 01: For five years, there was no question that the appellant, Albert J. Adams, was a qualified individual with a disability. [00:01:40] Speaker 01: The appellee's own EEO director, [00:01:43] Speaker 01: talked to Mr. Adams, talked to his physician, talked to his supervisor, and believes that he looked at Mr. Adams' position description. [00:01:53] Speaker 01: Based upon all that, he decided that Mr. Adams was, in fact, a qualified individual with a disability. [00:02:02] Speaker 02: Moreover... That's really a legal opinion, right? [00:02:05] Speaker 02: I'm sorry, it's not a legal opinion. [00:02:06] Speaker 02: That's really a legal opinion, as opposed to... [00:02:10] Speaker 02: For example, the detailed factual statements in the application for Social Security. [00:02:16] Speaker 01: Well, the statements in Social Security were written by individuals who were not lawyers, so those were certainly not – But they were – they were purely factual. [00:02:26] Speaker 02: Those statements in Social Security – Let's say they're related to facts. [00:02:29] Speaker 01: Those states, well, yes, followed after the denial of reasonable accommodation. [00:02:34] Speaker 01: And according to the decision in Cleveland versus policy management, an applicant is actually allowed [00:02:44] Speaker 01: to make statements that reflect the reality of his situation after he's denied reasonable accommodation. [00:02:50] Speaker 06: But he's not allowed to contradict fact statements. [00:02:54] Speaker 06: If you say, just for example, if you say, Social Security, that you cannot walk, you cannot later come in here and say, you can walk. [00:03:08] Speaker 06: You can certainly say, Social Security, I am disabled, and then come in here and say, I can walk. [00:03:14] Speaker 06: But a specific factual claim you can't contradict, can you? [00:03:19] Speaker 01: No, there was no factual claim that he could not work if provided with reasonable accommodation. [00:03:26] Speaker 01: There was no mechanism for that in the Social Security application. [00:03:30] Speaker 06: What about the statement, he has to lie down all the time? [00:03:36] Speaker 01: At his home, he could lie down. [00:03:38] Speaker 01: He was able to work at his computer, and he was able to... But the statement says, has to lie down all the time. [00:03:49] Speaker 01: Well, nobody lies down all the time. [00:03:52] Speaker 01: It was probably a misstatement that was made, but the fact is his doctor [00:03:59] Speaker 01: examined him beforehand and determined that wasn't the case. [00:04:02] Speaker 01: And of course, Your Honors, he was writing that only in the reality of a situation in which he wouldn't be at any job in which he wouldn't be lying down. [00:04:14] Speaker 02: I'm sorry, how was that? [00:04:16] Speaker 02: I don't understand that. [00:04:17] Speaker 01: I'm sorry, I didn't clarify. [00:04:19] Speaker 01: The reason that he had to report that he was lying down was that he was not able to work in an office setting. [00:04:27] Speaker 01: But the fact is he could be resting while doing computer work, and his right hand was completely unimpaired. [00:04:38] Speaker 01: His right arm was also unimpaired. [00:04:43] Speaker 01: As a consequence of that, everything that he reported to the best of his knowledge was truthful, but it was from the perspective of having been denied reasonable accommodation from the very outset. [00:04:58] Speaker 01: That application, as Your Honors know from having read the briefs, [00:05:02] Speaker 01: came one day after his final counseling interview. [00:05:06] Speaker 01: His final counseling interview had been on September 13, 2006, in which he had been told that the reasonable accommodation of telework was simply not available. [00:05:18] Speaker 01: And based upon having been told that the reasonable accommodation of telework was not available, he filed for Social Security and wrote his application based upon that understanding [00:05:32] Speaker 01: And since he wrote his application. [00:05:34] Speaker 02: I mean, undoubtedly, the context was there. [00:05:40] Speaker 02: But he does make very clear, unequivocal statements in the application of propositions of fact. [00:05:50] Speaker 01: He makes statements based upon the denial of reasonable accommodation. [00:05:54] Speaker 02: They're based on that, but they're still factual statements. [00:05:58] Speaker 01: They are factual statements in a particular context. [00:06:01] Speaker 02: Cannot stand or walk more than 10 minutes, which sounds hard to reconcile with his own description of what the job required, which had him, I think, seven out of eight hours moving around and so forth. [00:06:17] Speaker 01: Well, much of what the job required, Your Honor, involved getting up and [00:06:22] Speaker 01: getting out looking at the computer system, checking the legacy system, making certain that everything was correct, writing reports, dealing with vendors, answering to a help desk, and all of those things actually he could be doing lying down or at least in a position in which he'd be very comfortable. [00:06:41] Speaker 06: What about the statement, describe this job, what did you do all day? [00:06:46] Speaker 06: Answer. [00:06:47] Speaker 06: Teach classes on computer software and hardware, travel to various locations to train persons on computer software and hardware, worked on computer database. [00:06:56] Speaker 06: You've only been referring to the last clause, worked on computer database. [00:07:00] Speaker 06: But what about traveling to various locations to train persons on computer software? [00:07:05] Speaker 06: And what about teaching classes on computer software? [00:07:08] Speaker 06: Your Honor, when he wrote... You agree those are statements of fact. [00:07:13] Speaker 01: Those are statements of fact, and he was in fact doing a great deal of training prior to the time of the stroke. [00:07:19] Speaker 01: As he testified in his deposition, the requirement of the training had ceased. [00:07:24] Speaker 01: Now the question on the application is, what had he been doing up until that point? [00:07:29] Speaker 01: And so he was in fact truthfully reflecting what he had been doing up until that point. [00:07:34] Speaker 01: Since he wasn't a lawyer, he wasn't preparing for litigation and realizing that making that statement, even though it was truthful, [00:07:40] Speaker 01: And of course, he had to make truthful statements anyway, would impede his prospects for getting what he needed to get, when in fact that was never an issue in the first place. [00:07:56] Speaker 01: Your Honor, as I see, I am into my rebuttal time, but I'm happy to continue as long as I won't relinquish that rebuttal time. [00:08:04] Speaker 06: Let me just ask if any other judges have further questions. [00:08:07] Speaker 06: So why don't you save your time for rebuttal. [00:08:08] Speaker 06: Thank you, Your Honor. [00:08:20] Speaker 00: Good morning. [00:08:20] Speaker 00: May it please the court, Holly Johnson for the District of Columbia. [00:08:24] Speaker 00: Mr. Adams is bound by the facts he swore to in his Social Security application. [00:08:29] Speaker 00: To survive summary judgment, he now has to explain how, assuming the truth of those statements, a reasonable fact finder could find that he was still nevertheless capable of performing his essential functions if he was given a reasonable accommodation. [00:08:44] Speaker 00: Mr. Adams has made no attempt to explain how this is possible. [00:08:48] Speaker 00: He simply ignores the duties he swore he was required to do in his Social Security application. [00:08:55] Speaker 00: The only explanation he has given [00:08:57] Speaker 00: that comes in this argument is where he states that this requirement that he do in-person training, which he said he was doing a lot of for the first few years of his job, had ceased before he had his stroke. [00:09:11] Speaker 00: And he testified in his deposition that for about five months he hadn't been doing any training. [00:09:16] Speaker 00: And I would point this court directly to the deaths case, the Third Circuit deaths case cited in our brief. [00:09:22] Speaker 00: And the facts there are in all important respects identical. [00:09:27] Speaker 00: There, the employee who also was not a lawyer and who was applying for Social Security benefits had already been transferred from his heavy duty job to his light duty job. [00:09:38] Speaker 00: before the circumstances arose where he needed to seek disability benefits. [00:09:43] Speaker 00: But he only listed, in response to that question, what do you do all day, and in response to the question, how many hours per day do you spend doing these different physical activities, he only listed the heavy duty work. [00:09:54] Speaker 00: And the Seventh Circuit said that he was bound by what he said in his application about his duties, that he could not, and this is what Butler says, it says, a person who applied for disability benefits must live with the factual representations made to obtain them. [00:10:09] Speaker 00: And if those show an inability to do the job, then an ADA claim may be rejected without further inquiry. [00:10:16] Speaker 04: The purpose of listing the job or describing the job is to demonstrate why the disability would prevent you from performing those functions. [00:10:28] Speaker 00: Is that right? [00:10:28] Speaker 00: Yes. [00:10:29] Speaker 00: The implication for what do you do all day is so that you can establish that your disability prevents you from doing that. [00:10:37] Speaker 00: And what Cleveland said is there are circumstances where you could be disabled for purposes of social security benefits because [00:10:45] Speaker 00: That doesn't consider an accommodation and not disabled under the ADA, but you need to explain how you can harmonize Those the disparity of fact and here there's been meant no effort has been made to harmonize that This is a complete bar to mr. Adams a DA claim [00:11:03] Speaker 00: It does not matter what the district knew at the time. [00:11:06] Speaker 00: It doesn't matter what the district said to him at the time. [00:11:08] Speaker 00: It does not matter what the district would have done. [00:11:11] Speaker 06: It does matter whether this is an essential element of his job. [00:11:14] Speaker 06: Just the fact that he did it doesn't make it an essential element, right? [00:11:18] Speaker 00: I think that that's true. [00:11:19] Speaker 00: However, I will note that in debts, [00:11:22] Speaker 00: What he did all day was deemed to be essential, even though he actually, as a matter of fact, was not doing those things. [00:11:29] Speaker 06: Do you have other evidence that this was an essential element? [00:11:32] Speaker 00: Oh yes, there is other evidence as well. [00:11:34] Speaker 06: Namely the job description. [00:11:35] Speaker 00: The job description says, and I think that probably the cleanest, there's a few different [00:11:39] Speaker 00: facts like a different duties. [00:11:41] Speaker 00: I think the cleanest one and the clearest one to look at is the training requirement. [00:11:45] Speaker 00: The position description describes training as a major duty and Mr. Adams in fact testified that he was hired to train employees and that he did it a lot all the way up until 2005. [00:11:57] Speaker 00: And he also testified that he could not conduct this training from home. [00:12:03] Speaker 00: And that's at Joint Appendix 435-36 and 438-39. [00:12:08] Speaker 00: He could not do it at home. [00:12:10] Speaker 00: He had done it a lot. [00:12:12] Speaker 00: It's certainly reasonable. [00:12:14] Speaker 00: I don't think any fact-finder could assume that someone whose job it is to train employees on new software would never have to do it again. [00:12:25] Speaker 00: I will say that from his testimony it's a little bit muddled, but my understanding from his testimony is that when they first started the STAR and NOMAD database systems, they had to train all the employees in the agency to catch, or all the employees that used that to catch up with that system. [00:12:41] Speaker 00: And that once that training had been established, the training center took over for new employees coming in. [00:12:46] Speaker 00: But there is evidence in the record that STAR and NOMAD were being phased out, that there was a whole new database system coming in. [00:12:52] Speaker 00: And frankly, it's common sense if you work in information technology that you're constantly going to have to be keeping up with new technology and training employees on new databases. [00:13:04] Speaker 00: Beyond that, Mr. Adams is stopped from claiming that he's no longer required to do training under the analysis in debts. [00:13:13] Speaker 00: He said in his Social Security application, in response to the question, what do you do all day, that he teaches classes, which he admitted he had to do out of the home, and that he traveled to different locations to teach classes. [00:13:26] Speaker 00: This was one of two duties he put in his application. [00:13:30] Speaker 00: It's listed in his position description as a major duty. [00:13:33] Speaker 00: And there's no reason to believe that duty would not come up again. [00:13:36] Speaker 00: But that's not the only duty that he had to perform that was an essential function. [00:13:40] Speaker 00: He also had to manage the help desk. [00:13:42] Speaker 00: And he had to be able to do this over the telephone. [00:13:45] Speaker 00: He testified that in order to do his job, he had to be able to communicate effectively over the telephone. [00:13:51] Speaker 00: And he had admitted in his Social Security application and in deposition [00:13:56] Speaker 00: that his speech was slurred, and in fact so slurred he said in his deposition that for two years after his stroke, people had a lot of trouble understanding him. [00:14:04] Speaker 06: And what about after the two years? [00:14:06] Speaker 00: After the two years it improved, but that's not a relevant time frame for purposes of this question. [00:14:10] Speaker 00: The question of whether someone was able to perform their essential functions is at the time of the denial of the accommodation. [00:14:18] Speaker 00: So the question is essentially at the time that he submitted his Social Security application, could he perform those functions? [00:14:24] Speaker 00: And there is no evidence that he could perform the essential functions of his position at that time. [00:14:30] Speaker 00: Finally, I will note that his help desk duties also required him to travel. [00:14:36] Speaker 00: He admitted that he was traveling on site once a week. [00:14:40] Speaker 00: to help people out with their computer problems. [00:14:43] Speaker 00: Now, he testified at deposition that this was just voluntary, that this wasn't actually required. [00:14:48] Speaker 00: But his social security application notes that most of the day was spent stooping, kneeling, crouching, crawling, and handling equipment. [00:14:56] Speaker 00: He was doing more than just talking to people in his duties when he went on site. [00:15:02] Speaker 00: So he can't claim that he didn't have to go there. [00:15:04] Speaker 00: I will also point this court to Butler, which is the other case where someone said, [00:15:09] Speaker 00: in an application for disability benefits that what they had been doing was not actually required of the job. [00:15:16] Speaker 00: And in that case, the court said, the Seventh Circuit said that you can't claim that because you're unable to do something, you're entitled to disability benefits, and then turn around and claim in a different lawsuit that you're qualified for your job because those duties were not actually required. [00:15:34] Speaker 00: In short, Mr. Adams [00:15:37] Speaker 00: focuses very much on the period of time in which the district did not have the information it had during this litigation. [00:15:44] Speaker 00: In this litigation, the district finally uncovered and was able to obtain the Social Security application. [00:15:49] Speaker 00: And in this litigation, the district was able to depose Mr. Adams and obtain his admissions about what [00:15:55] Speaker 00: he did all day and what his functions were. [00:15:58] Speaker 06: All that matters is whether... Well, presumably the district knew what his functions were and what he did all day. [00:16:04] Speaker 06: That's not information solely in the control of the plaintiff. [00:16:09] Speaker 00: not solely in control of the plaintiff, but it is somewhat of an unusual situation here because we did not have a supervisor available to say what he did all day. [00:16:16] Speaker 06: Well, that's the district's problem. [00:16:17] Speaker 00: No, Your Honor, it's not. [00:16:20] Speaker 00: It's Mr. Adams has the burden of proof, and the district had the position description, which is evidence. [00:16:25] Speaker 00: It did not have a, Mr. Adams brought the lawsuit, he was deposed five, six years after the stroke. [00:16:31] Speaker 06: You're saying the District of Columbia had no idea. [00:16:33] Speaker 06: I'm not saying that this is unlikely. [00:16:36] Speaker 06: But are you saying the District of Columbia has no idea what its employees do all day? [00:16:40] Speaker 00: Not at all. [00:16:41] Speaker 00: Not at all. [00:16:41] Speaker 00: I'm not saying we have no idea what its employees do. [00:16:43] Speaker 00: I'm not saying this is a general proposition. [00:16:45] Speaker 06: But they have no idea what this employee was doing. [00:16:46] Speaker 00: And I'm not saying no idea because Mr. Adams had a position description. [00:16:50] Speaker 00: What I'm saying is he had a stroke, he went out on medical leave, and two months later a new supervisor came in who had never seen Mr. Adams on the job. [00:16:59] Speaker 00: And by the time the litigation came around, his earlier supervisor was not available. [00:17:04] Speaker 00: There is evidence as to what he did. [00:17:05] Speaker 06: When you say not available, what do you mean by that? [00:17:07] Speaker 06: You tried to subpoena him and he refused to show up? [00:17:10] Speaker 00: I have no idea what the details are. [00:17:11] Speaker 06: So then you don't know he's not available. [00:17:12] Speaker 06: All you know is he wasn't employed by the district anymore, right? [00:17:16] Speaker 00: Yes, that's what I know personally. [00:17:18] Speaker 00: I could speak to the trial counsel and know about this. [00:17:20] Speaker 06: Normally in civil litigation, you're allowed to make inquiries of people outside. [00:17:24] Speaker 06: You're not saying that a person refused to talk to you. [00:17:26] Speaker 06: You just don't know at all. [00:17:27] Speaker 00: I'm saying I don't know. [00:17:28] Speaker 00: You're absolutely correct. [00:17:29] Speaker 00: I would not want to suggest that he was unavailable in the legal sense. [00:17:33] Speaker 00: What I'm saying is this. [00:17:35] Speaker 00: Mr. Adams has the burden of proving that he was capable of performing his essential functions. [00:17:39] Speaker 00: He testified as to what his essential functions were. [00:17:43] Speaker 00: We presented a position description as to what his essential functions were, and he presented a social security application listing duties which other courts always find to be relevant to the essential functions. [00:17:54] Speaker 00: If that's what you're doing all day, if seven out of eight hours of the day you're performing physical activity and physical labor, no reasonable jury could find that those are not essential functions. [00:18:05] Speaker 00: So given the fact that it is his burden of proving that he was qualified, what matters now is whether on de novo review of the evidence before this court today, Mr. Adams has established that. [00:18:16] Speaker 00: And because he could not travel, his speech was slurred, and it's wholly speculative as to whether he could handle the cognitive difficulties of his job, the district is entitled to summary judgment. [00:18:26] Speaker 06: Thank you. [00:18:27] Speaker 00: Thank you. [00:18:27] Speaker 06: How much time is left? [00:18:28] Speaker 06: Two minutes. [00:18:30] Speaker 06: You have two minutes. [00:18:34] Speaker 01: Although the district claims that Mr. Adams has made an about-face, the district makes absolutely no apologies for its about-face throughout this case, which is, of course, why we are here. [00:18:46] Speaker 01: There was no question of the fact that there was no reason to deny Mr. Adams reasonable accommodation, except for the district's policy that there was no [00:18:57] Speaker 01: communication policy in place. [00:18:59] Speaker 01: That was the only reason. [00:19:01] Speaker 01: And contrary to what Ms. [00:19:02] Speaker 01: Johnson has suggested, it's not as if the district was without legal counsel. [00:19:07] Speaker 01: The district was with able legal counsel throughout the entire time. [00:19:10] Speaker 01: Nor is it true that a supervisor was not available. [00:19:14] Speaker 01: A supervisor was available. [00:19:15] Speaker 01: In fact, I deposed the supervisor who took over and he said that it didn't trouble him that he didn't know what Mr. Adams was doing. [00:19:24] Speaker 01: He came up with a plan for Mr. Adams after [00:19:26] Speaker 01: litigation occurred, but he was certainly available. [00:19:29] Speaker 01: And in fact, he was available at the time that the district... I think she was talking about the supervisor before that supervisor. [00:19:37] Speaker 01: Is that right? [00:19:38] Speaker 01: I think so, but the fact is there was a supervisor who was available during the time period and who was deposed. [00:19:45] Speaker 01: And so I think it's important, I think there is a possible misunderstanding and it's important to clarify that. [00:19:51] Speaker 01: and he was the supervisor that the EEO counselor talked to, in addition to having talked to the physician. [00:19:59] Speaker 01: So information was at the district's disposal, whether the district chose to deal with that information. [00:20:06] Speaker 01: I will also say that the death's case is completely inapposite in that it involved light duty. [00:20:12] Speaker 01: A computer technician's job is not a physical [00:20:16] Speaker 01: manual job. [00:20:17] Speaker 01: It's not something that requires a lot of heavy lifting. [00:20:20] Speaker 01: It's true that he did mention that the computer was the heaviest thing he had to deal with, but he didn't have to lift the computer. [00:20:26] Speaker 01: Most computer technicians don't have a lot of heavy physical labor, so to characterize this job is simply as false as the premise on which the district is operating from the outset. [00:20:39] Speaker 06: Further questions from the bench? [00:20:40] Speaker 06: Thank you. [00:20:41] Speaker 06: We'll take the matter under submission. [00:20:42] Speaker 01: Thank you.