[00:00:01] Speaker 04: Case number 14, S1029 at L, Lucky Cab Company Petitioner versus National Labor Relations Board. [00:00:08] Speaker 04: Mr. Miner for the petitioner, Mr. Josh for the respondent. [00:01:23] Speaker 00: Good morning, and may it please the court. [00:01:25] Speaker 00: My name is Fred Miner. [00:01:26] Speaker 00: I represent Lucky Cab Company. [00:01:29] Speaker 00: This case involves a review of a decision by the National Labor Relations Board that primarily involves the discharge of six former drivers in February, March, April of 2011. [00:01:41] Speaker 00: This was a period preceding a board [00:01:46] Speaker 00: conducted representation election that was held on May 6th of 2011. [00:01:52] Speaker 00: This was the second election in about two years. [00:01:56] Speaker 00: The first in 2009 was unsuccessful. [00:02:00] Speaker 00: The second, again, conducted on May the 6th, also was unsuccessful. [00:02:05] Speaker 00: Employees chose not to be represented by a margin of 105 to 93. [00:02:12] Speaker 00: The board found the six terminations involved here retaliatory based on alleged but unknown union activity by the six drivers. [00:02:25] Speaker 00: The board's decision contradicted evidence in particular that two of the drivers were discharged before management became aware of the campaign. [00:02:37] Speaker 00: In the board's own precedence, the rule has been clear that it is neither logical nor reasonable to leap from a general knowledge of union activity to specific knowledge of an individual employee's participation. [00:02:54] Speaker 00: And yet, that logical leap is exactly where the board erred here. [00:03:00] Speaker 00: Here, there were approximately 240 drivers involved in a campaign. [00:03:06] Speaker 00: over 90 of whom eventually voted yes in a representation election, about 100 of whom must have signed authorization cards in support of an election petition, and over 40 of whom allegedly had participated in a union meeting shortly before the union's own announcement of its campaign to management. [00:03:33] Speaker 00: The question then becomes, out of all of these various drivers, why these particular six drivers might have been selected by management for some form of retaliation. [00:03:48] Speaker 00: The board's conclusion, and it painted with quite a broad brush on this, the board's conclusion was that all six must have been involved because of the proximity of the drivers who were waiting for cabs at the beginning of their shifts and allegedly discussing union-related matters. [00:04:09] Speaker 00: This specifically contradicts the testimony of three of the drivers. [00:04:15] Speaker 00: It contradicts the fact that there were no public displays of union support by any of the drivers prior to the election. [00:04:24] Speaker 00: There were no pins, shirts, signs, or other propaganda. [00:04:29] Speaker 00: No one of the six drivers testified that any manager observed his or her alleged union activities. [00:04:39] Speaker 00: Again, two of the drivers testified quite clearly that the union instructed them to engage in a clandestine and surreptitious campaign and that they did so through the time of their terminations. [00:04:54] Speaker 00: Mr. Hambamo testified, following the union's instructions, that he approached the drivers exclusively outside the compound of the company and, quote, [00:05:07] Speaker 00: He worked clandestinely so that we could organize them. [00:05:12] Speaker 00: That's JA 358 and 378. [00:05:15] Speaker 00: Mr. Hambamo never circulated a card on Lucky Cab's company. [00:05:21] Speaker 00: This is important for a driver who spends most of his time offsite. [00:05:26] Speaker 00: He never spoke to a driver while on Lucky Cab's property. [00:05:31] Speaker 00: This is undisputed in the ALJ so far. [00:05:39] Speaker 00: There was not substantial evidence, correct Your Honor, and we believe that the contrary assumption by the Board [00:05:48] Speaker 00: contradicts the evidence by at least three of the drivers that they engaged in a surreptitious campaign. [00:05:55] Speaker 00: Without knowledge of any of these driver's union activities, there cannot be an inference of retaliation. [00:06:03] Speaker 00: Ultimately, the irony of the NLRB's decision in this case is that numerous drivers who did engage in some form of public union support were not subjected to any retaliation, whereas the six drivers here who allegedly engaged in some concealed activity were subjected to retaliation. [00:06:29] Speaker 00: And there is considerable evidence in the record regarding driver statements to management, endorsing the union, supporting the union, or talking about the prior 2009 campaign. [00:06:44] Speaker 00: Not one of those drivers, and there are at least seven of the drivers identified in the record, not one even allegedly was subjected to any interference or other kind of retaliation. [00:06:58] Speaker 04: But isn't it the board's position here that in fact these six employees, or at least five of them, were more than casually involved, that they were in fact the organizing committee? [00:07:11] Speaker 04: And so from that, the board draws an inference that it was odd that they should be specifically the people who were terminating. [00:07:20] Speaker 00: Your Honor, they testified themselves that there were more than a dozen drivers initially involved in the campaign. [00:07:28] Speaker 00: They contended that all six of the drivers were among the initial group. [00:07:33] Speaker 00: They contended there were more than 40 drivers involved at the union's most recent meeting prior to the publication of its notice of the campaign to management. [00:07:46] Speaker 00: Ultimately, the drivers who declared themselves as supporters of the union, the drivers who asked questions or spoke up at company meetings, were not subjected to any retaliation, whereas the board claims these drivers who engage in concealed activity somehow were. [00:08:06] Speaker 00: We also would point out that these six drivers acknowledged engaging in serious misconduct including intentional misconduct to the position would be that there were other drivers in the past who had had similar infractions and not been [00:08:24] Speaker 00: discipline determination correct your honor with with respect to two of the drivers who were terminated for intentional falsification the company presented evidence of more than 11 discharges of drivers under the same circumstances in the prior two years [00:08:46] Speaker 00: Which terminated driver are you talking about? [00:08:50] Speaker 00: With respect to Ms. [00:08:51] Speaker 00: Gabersalase and Mr. Hailu, both were terminated for intentional falsification. [00:08:58] Speaker 00: Lucky Cab's rule book provides for termination in that event. [00:09:03] Speaker 00: And again, at least 11 drivers were terminated for that reason. [00:09:07] Speaker 00: With respect to the failure to record breaks, two drivers were terminated for that reason. [00:09:13] Speaker 00: Mr. Demeke and Mr. Tasima both previously had been disciplined for the same rule violation. [00:09:24] Speaker 00: Once again, Lucky Cab presented evidence that at least 10 drivers were terminated for this same reason in the prior two years. [00:09:33] Speaker 00: General counsel points out that six other drivers were not terminated, although they engaged in the same misconduct. [00:09:41] Speaker 00: The difference in those cases is those drivers did not have a prior record of discipline for that same rule of violation. [00:09:51] Speaker 00: Again, Mr. Demeke, [00:09:53] Speaker 00: had failed to record breaks. [00:09:55] Speaker 00: He had prior discipline for trip sheet violations, seven between May and December of 2010, five more in January and February of 2011. [00:10:06] Speaker 00: And Mr. Tosima was then working under a final warning specifically for failing to record his breaks at the time of his termination. [00:10:19] Speaker 00: With respect to the other terminations, Your Honor, the intentional falsification, the deliberate nature of that violation, the indefinite suspension of one of the driver's permits, and the early quit, the refueling more than 30 minutes prior to the end of his shift, [00:10:41] Speaker 00: all constituted legitimate nondiscriminatory reasons for those terminations. [00:10:47] Speaker 00: They all are supported by prior discipline for the same reasons. [00:10:52] Speaker 00: Most of these discharges occurred in the context of prior discipline, and they were not retaliatory in nature. [00:11:00] Speaker 00: I see I'm coming to the end of my time, Your Honor. [00:11:02] Speaker 00: I'd like to reserve three minutes for everybody. [00:11:06] Speaker 00: Thank you. [00:11:22] Speaker 03: May it please the court, my name is Micah Jost for the NLRB. [00:11:26] Speaker 03: Substantial evidence supports all of the board's findings in this case. [00:11:30] Speaker 03: And the company's arguments simply ignore or contradict the credited findings again and again. [00:11:35] Speaker 03: I want to make two primary points this morning. [00:11:39] Speaker 03: The first is that contrary to the company's claims, the credited evidence shows that nearly all of the drivers campaigned openly on the employer's premises. [00:11:48] Speaker 03: Not one of them testified that they could not have been observed. [00:11:52] Speaker 03: Hambamo is the sole driver who only did his solicitation. [00:11:56] Speaker 01: Well, that doesn't answer the question, was there evidence that they had been observed? [00:12:01] Speaker 01: Was there evidence that this was known to the company? [00:12:04] Speaker 03: Your Honor, several of them, Geber Salasa, Demeke, Hailu, and Tesima, all testified that they distributed, excuse me, that they solicited. [00:12:13] Speaker 03: All of them except for Geber Salasa also distributed the physical cards in the waiting area, which was directly in front of the employer's offices. [00:12:21] Speaker 03: right outside the window, and in an area where Garris, the associate operations manager, frequently mingled with the employees to smoke. [00:12:30] Speaker 03: So those are the opportunities that the company had to view them soliciting openly, directly in front of the management offices. [00:12:39] Speaker 03: The citations for that can be found for Geber Salasa at J506 and 507, where she said that she believed management knew that she was soliciting for the union. [00:12:50] Speaker 03: Demeke's testimony along those lines is at 444 and 45 and 448. [00:12:55] Speaker 03: Hailu is at 451. [00:12:56] Speaker 03: Tessima is at 414. [00:13:00] Speaker 03: All of them testified to doing this openly and doing so in the bleachers waiting area where they were required to be for 30 minutes before every single shift, an ample amount of time for them to be observed in these activities. [00:13:13] Speaker 03: The second point I want to focus on is that the credited evidence shows that the employer treated each of the six drivers more harshly than others for comparable conduct. [00:13:24] Speaker 03: Moreover, the credited evidence shows that the employer did not act according to its consistent policy in discharging them. [00:13:34] Speaker 01: It doesn't hurt your case particularly, but does it appear that the company had a consistent policy? [00:13:43] Speaker 03: The company's claims of having a consistent policy were soundly discredited, Your Honor. [00:13:48] Speaker 03: From what we can tell from their records, what the records as a whole demonstrate is that where there were violations that the company considered serious, [00:13:58] Speaker 03: outside of the most routine sort of trip sheet violations, such as failing to note a clock out, failing to sign, leaving off your telephone number, for things that the company considered more serious, which it characterizes as falsification, failure to list a break, refueling early. [00:14:16] Speaker 03: violating the GEO medallion, for example. [00:14:19] Speaker 03: For all of those instances where it's possible to tell what the company did from the record, they issued final warnings at least one time. [00:14:28] Speaker 03: In several cases, we cite three cases as comparators for TESMA. [00:14:32] Speaker 03: Those were instances where the employer gave two final warnings for the same conduct more than six or seven months apart. [00:14:40] Speaker 03: It allowed the old discipline to lapse. [00:14:43] Speaker 03: on the opposing council referenced 11 drivers who were discharged. [00:14:48] Speaker 03: Those are at pages 40 through 42 of their brief. [00:14:51] Speaker 03: And a careful examination of the record shows that for six of those drivers, it's possible to tell whether they had a final warning, and they did. [00:14:59] Speaker 03: And for the ones where it's possible to tell how [00:15:02] Speaker 03: how recent the final warning was. [00:15:04] Speaker 03: It was three months for Peter Spangler, five months for Lubin Stefanov, and four months for Eunice Ali. [00:15:12] Speaker 03: That demonstrates where you have a final warning for the exact same conduct within a short period of time. [00:15:18] Speaker 03: the company did indeed show they would fire people. [00:15:21] Speaker 03: The key fact here, contrary to opposing counsel's representations in the briefs, Demeke was found to have no prior violations for unlisted breaks, Kindea had no prior violations for early refueling, and Hylou had no prior violations for any kind of falsification with regard to him [00:15:41] Speaker 03: You can look at the position statement the company provided to the board at 1092 through 1094 of the joint appendix. [00:15:50] Speaker 03: Within those pages, there is no prior reference to the discharge offense for him, which was writing down improper fare amounts. [00:15:58] Speaker 03: In that regard, I also want to note in the reply brief, [00:16:02] Speaker 03: The company characterizes his violation in that instance as essentially stealing fares from the company. [00:16:08] Speaker 03: That is utterly unsupported by the record. [00:16:10] Speaker 03: There's a separate violation, which the company has in numerous trip sheets, which is short book or not turning over the full amount of book. [00:16:20] Speaker 03: That is not a violation that Hilo engaged in in that instance. [00:16:24] Speaker 03: For an example, you can see driver Robo Begashaw's record. [00:16:27] Speaker 03: at 1993 of the appendix, where the employer notes that it is an act of theft to turn over short book. [00:16:34] Speaker 03: Eilu was not penalized for that on the occasion when he was fired. [00:16:40] Speaker 03: So examining the records for all three of those individuals, it's clear they did not receive the final warning that the company [00:16:48] Speaker 03: to the extent it had any consistent policy, should have given. [00:16:52] Speaker 03: Garris was unable to find. [00:16:53] Speaker 03: He did initially claim that they had final warnings. [00:16:57] Speaker 03: But the citations that we have in the brief, primarily, I would refer the court again to the position statement from the company, which is for Condea at 1101, for Demicci at 1097 through 99. [00:17:09] Speaker 03: Those demonstrate that there was, in fact, no prior warning. [00:17:15] Speaker 03: So what we're left with, Your Honors, is individuals who engaged in open union solicitation, which gives rise to a reasonable inference that they were part of this, that they were known to be part of this campaign. [00:17:29] Speaker 03: As was noted earlier, five of them were members of the 13, 12 or 13 member organizing committee. [00:17:35] Speaker 03: The Power, Inc. [00:17:37] Speaker 03: decision of this court points out that where you had a large number of people in that case, it was [00:17:42] Speaker 03: 13 employees discharged, eight of whom I believe were on the organizing committee. [00:17:46] Speaker 03: That's deeply suspicious. [00:17:48] Speaker 03: And the timing, the fact that these individuals were discharged over the two months preceding the election, that is what ties them all together. [00:17:56] Speaker 03: So the fact that Hambamo, for example, testified that he did all of his solicitation off the employer's premises does not make the board's use of circumstantial evidence, in this case, impermissible. [00:18:08] Speaker 03: Rather, the board reasonably relied on timing, [00:18:12] Speaker 03: disparate treatment, which demonstrated pretext, along with all of the other factors we know. [00:18:18] Speaker 03: And in addition, the 8-a-1 threats, which the employer has not made any serious attempt to disprove. [00:18:24] Speaker 03: In numerous cases, this court and other courts have relied on similar circumstantial evidence. [00:18:30] Speaker 03: I want to refer in particular to the Schafe case in Power, Inc., where the court was able to find that certain individuals who [00:18:39] Speaker 03: the company disputed knowledge as to, had engaged in known union activity, even though there may have been other people there who the company had more direct evidence of knowledge. [00:18:51] Speaker 03: Abbey's transport from the Second Circuit and Wholesome de Puerto Rico are equally important cases from this court's sister circuits. [00:19:15] Speaker 03: I believe I covered this earlier, but I want to emphasize that at page 5 of the reply brief where the employer claims that Tyler was previously counseled six times for falsifying fares, that is contradicted by the record. [00:19:27] Speaker 03: Once again, it's the position statement at 1092-394. [00:19:31] Speaker 03: So in sum, the substantial evidence that I've canvassed, including the [00:19:36] Speaker 03: the clearly supported, fully supported 8A1s. [00:19:41] Speaker 03: The Parsippany Hotel decision of this court emphasizes that this sort of 8A1 violation can show animus where it comes from a high-level person as it did in this case, which is Dante. [00:19:54] Speaker 03: Regardless of the lack of any sort of direct connection to the individual discriminatees, a similar analysis is noted at Igrimo Enterprises [00:20:06] Speaker 03: which is a board case of the employer sites enforced by the Second Circuit. [00:20:10] Speaker 02: What was the evidence showing at what point the company or any of the management was aware of the union drive? [00:20:22] Speaker 03: your honor the there's what's the timing right there's the undisputed letter on february 25 so from that point forward there were two individuals fired prior to that time bebers loss on february 24 demicki on february 25 [00:20:37] Speaker 03: And the testimony from Dante. [00:20:40] Speaker 03: The letter is dated what? [00:20:42] Speaker 03: February 25, Your Honor. [00:20:43] Speaker 03: 25. [00:20:43] Speaker 03: So one firing is referred to as 24 and one is 25. [00:20:46] Speaker 03: One is the very day of that letter. [00:20:48] Speaker 03: Right. [00:20:49] Speaker 03: But the board's findings, based on credibility determinations, which the company has not given any reason to overturn, were that Dante received questions from drivers and that those questions came to her shortly after the distribution of cards began, which was February 8. [00:21:03] Speaker 03: So it would have been in that earlier period. [00:21:07] Speaker 03: The final point that I want to note with regard to Hambamo, for whom the circumstantial evidence of knowledge is not quite as direct as the others, the circumstances of his discharge are particularly suspicious in regard to because the employer had never fired a non-probationary employee for the same offense, which is to say a suspended permit. [00:21:27] Speaker 03: And indeed, its policy did not call for discharge. [00:21:30] Speaker 03: It called for discharge only for a revoked permit. [00:21:32] Speaker 02: I see the mic. [00:21:34] Speaker 02: The company forged a document showing that they hired somebody else. [00:21:40] Speaker 03: That's right. [00:21:40] Speaker 03: That was a probationary employee. [00:21:43] Speaker 03: As Garris himself testified, probationary employees, I believe it's at 587 of the appendix, probationary employees are treated differently. [00:21:51] Speaker 03: They don't have a track record with the company, so they're not comparators. [00:21:54] Speaker 03: One of the board cases the company cites, the guard publishing, has the same analysis. [00:21:59] Speaker 02: I thought the state of the aisle, Jason Stapham, [00:22:02] Speaker 02: that the documents showing that there was another employee was computer generated for this case. [00:22:10] Speaker 03: Right. [00:22:10] Speaker 03: If I may, Your Honor, there are two pages there for employee Nikoli Atanasov. [00:22:15] Speaker 03: The first page is the actual discharge for him, which simply says that he failed probation. [00:22:21] Speaker 03: The second page is the one that suspiciously has a computer generated date shortly before the hearing. [00:22:27] Speaker 02: It's on that page. [00:22:27] Speaker 02: 2011, right? [00:22:29] Speaker 02: It was 2011, the date on the second page. [00:22:33] Speaker 03: Right. [00:22:33] Speaker 03: And that page is the one that says that he failed to maintain a TA permit. [00:22:36] Speaker 03: First of all, it doesn't say that it was revoked or suspended, so it's not even helpful in that regard. [00:22:41] Speaker 03: But in any event, there was substantial evidence for the ALJ to conclude that that was falsified because of the date. [00:22:47] Speaker 01: Either he isn't clear from the record or wasn't clear to me. [00:22:50] Speaker 01: Could he do the job? [00:22:51] Speaker 01: Could the driver do the job? [00:22:52] Speaker 01: Were they suspended? [00:22:54] Speaker 03: He couldn't physically go drive a taxicab. [00:22:57] Speaker 03: But of course, the company gave leaves of absence liberally. [00:23:00] Speaker 03: It emphasized, in fact, that it gave 60-day leaves of absence. [00:23:04] Speaker 03: The three prior individuals who had suspended permits and whom the company didn't fire, which are Abzu, Worke, and Demeke on a prior occasion, those individuals were allowed to remain employees even if they weren't out on the road during that time. [00:23:20] Speaker 03: For the reasons we've described, I would ask the court to enforce the board's order in full. [00:23:29] Speaker 00: Your honor, I understood counsel to argue that all of these drivers had engaged in public campaigning, and that is contrary to the record. [00:23:37] Speaker 00: I also heard counsel concede or acknowledge that Mr. Himbamo had not engaged in any union supporting activity on Lucky Cab's property. [00:23:47] Speaker 00: I also would point out with respect to Mr. Tosima that he specifically testified he did not believe any manager or supervisor could have seen him talking with another driver about the union or engaging in any other union activity. [00:24:02] Speaker 00: That's at J419-20. [00:24:05] Speaker 00: With respect to Mr. Candaya, he also specifically testified that he did not engage in any union discussions anywhere near management's offices or facilities. [00:24:17] Speaker 00: In other words, where drivers wait for their cabs. [00:24:20] Speaker 00: He avoided that area because of the union's directive to conceal the union's campaign. [00:24:27] Speaker 00: Specifically, I would take a look at JA 424 to 425 in that regard. [00:24:34] Speaker 00: Even with respect to the other drivers who claim that they discussed the campaign, this activity has to be understood in the context of [00:24:44] Speaker 00: discussions specifically. [00:24:46] Speaker 00: Ms. [00:24:47] Speaker 00: Gabersalas specifically testified she never circulated any authorization cards whatsoever, claimed she did not have them at the time other drivers allegedly received them. [00:24:59] Speaker 00: Her discussions could not have been understood by Lucky Cab management. [00:25:05] Speaker 00: The drivers in this case all testified through interpreters. [00:25:09] Speaker 00: Management at Lucky Cab is not familiar with the Ethiopian dialect that is their primary language. [00:25:16] Speaker 00: The discussions among drivers that may have occurred at the beginning of their shifts does not indicate management knowledge of a union campaign by these individuals. [00:25:27] Speaker 00: With respect to the subject of discipline, four of the drivers specifically were disciplined for the reasons stated earlier. [00:25:35] Speaker 00: In particular, [00:25:37] Speaker 00: Excuse me, Mr. Tasima was under a final written warning for failure to record his break specifically, the same reason he was terminated for as of April 6th, his termination. [00:25:51] Speaker 00: His final warning is indicated at JA 896. [00:25:55] Speaker 00: Mr. Hailu was under a final warning for his multiple trip sheet violations. [00:26:02] Speaker 00: That's at JA 1134. [00:26:05] Speaker 00: his termination was because of falsification of fares specifically. [00:26:10] Speaker 00: On one particular day the evidence showed that he was reporting fares that were five to seven dollars lower than they actually were. [00:26:19] Speaker 00: That sounds like theft to lucky cab. [00:26:22] Speaker 00: Mr. Kandaya is undisputed [00:26:25] Speaker 00: excuse me, refueled early. [00:26:27] Speaker 00: He had previously been disciplined for that specific offense. [00:26:32] Speaker 00: That's at JA 338 and 611. [00:26:35] Speaker 00: And Mr. Demeke had been disciplined for his trip sheet violations. [00:26:40] Speaker 00: That's at JA 1168 and 339. [00:26:43] Speaker 00: I see I have gone over my time. [00:26:47] Speaker 00: Thank you very much. [00:26:49] Speaker 04: Thank you. [00:26:49] Speaker 04: The case will be submitted.