[00:00:00] Speaker 00: Case number 15-7143, Manu Kennedy, Appellant versus Muriel Bowser, and her official capacity of Mayor of Washington, District of Columbia at L. Mr. Seymour and Ms. [00:00:11] Speaker 00: Leary for Appellant, Manu Kennedy, and Ms. [00:00:14] Speaker 00: Anderson for the Appellees. [00:00:34] Speaker 03: Mr. Seymour, let's let everybody get out of the courtroom first. [00:00:41] Speaker 03: All right? [00:00:41] Speaker 03: Good morning. [00:00:43] Speaker 04: Thank you, Your Honor. [00:00:43] Speaker 04: May it please the Court, my name is Richard Seymour on behalf of Manu Kennedy. [00:00:49] Speaker 04: I've reserved two minutes for rebuttal. [00:00:52] Speaker 04: We have a divided argument by permission of the Court, and I'll be addressing the question of the Court's jurisdiction. [00:00:59] Speaker 04: there's under section 1292B, we believe that there was substantial compliance with the requirement of filing a petition because the plaintiff's application to the district court for certification under 1292B was well discussed by the district court and approved by the district court, and that arrived in this court [00:01:22] Speaker 04: within the 10-day required period of time for filing a petition for permission to appeal. [00:01:27] Speaker 05: Was there anything in the papers that were filed that asked for our permission? [00:01:34] Speaker 05: No, Your Honor, there was not. [00:01:35] Speaker 05: And what is this application called under the rules? [00:01:39] Speaker 05: It's called a petition. [00:01:40] Speaker 05: For? [00:01:41] Speaker 05: Permission to appeal. [00:01:42] Speaker 05: For permission. [00:01:43] Speaker 04: That's right. [00:01:44] Speaker 05: So that's missing from this. [00:01:46] Speaker 05: That's correct. [00:01:46] Speaker 05: OK. [00:01:48] Speaker 05: How do you get around that? [00:01:50] Speaker 04: Because the – and we've said before, Your Honor, comparable cases involving similar legal requirements for seeking permission from a court of appeals – Can you find any outside the Ninth Circuit? [00:02:05] Speaker 05: With all due respect to our colleagues. [00:02:08] Speaker 04: It is 20 percent of the country, Your Honor, so – Not the other 80 percent. [00:02:15] Speaker 04: And it has two divisions, for whatever that is worth. [00:02:20] Speaker 04: But the question of the Supreme Court held in the tort... That's my question. [00:02:23] Speaker 05: Are there any circuit courts other than the Ninth Circuit that have adopted your theory? [00:02:28] Speaker 04: Well, there's a Piney Woods unpublished decision from the Fifth Circuit. [00:02:33] Speaker 04: That's a little different from this case, because one of the parties, a different party, the opposing party, had petitioned for permission to appeal. [00:02:41] Speaker 04: And the court held that the notice of appeal would be treated as a cross-petition for permission to appeal. [00:02:46] Speaker 00: But there was a petition for, I believe, to appeal. [00:02:50] Speaker 04: From the opposing side, that's right, Your Honor. [00:02:51] Speaker 05: There was a petition that asked for the permission. [00:02:54] Speaker 05: And isn't the issue [00:02:55] Speaker 05: Do we see, are we able to make sense of it when it comes to us? [00:03:01] Speaker 05: Or do we have to do a lot of hard work to figure out that this is a request for permission? [00:03:06] Speaker 05: I mean, the clerk's office here treated it as it was a normal appeal, right? [00:03:10] Speaker 05: It didn't know that it was a, that you thought it was a permission to appeal until the actual application for permission to appeal came in. [00:03:20] Speaker 05: Let me ask you this. [00:03:22] Speaker 05: So the opponent gets a chance to respond to [00:03:25] Speaker 05: request for permission to appeal, right? [00:03:28] Speaker 05: That's right, Your Honor. [00:03:28] Speaker 05: So under your argument, that time ran, right? [00:03:33] Speaker 05: The time for the opponent to respond ran because the clock started ticking within the 10 days when the notice of appeal was applied. [00:03:40] Speaker 04: Well, if Your Honor is suggesting there might have been a lack of due process, the District of Columbia could have filed a motion to dismiss the appeal for lack of jurisdiction, and the same issues would then have been raised. [00:03:52] Speaker 05: But there also is my question. [00:03:54] Speaker 05: So if your theory is that when the notice of appeal and the district court decision attached to it shows up in the clerk's office, you say that that that's compliant with that. [00:04:06] Speaker 05: That's an application for permission to be right. [00:04:09] Speaker 05: And that was done within the 10-day period, right? [00:04:11] Speaker 05: So it's timely under your theory. [00:04:14] Speaker 04: But that is substantial compliance because it laid before this court. [00:04:17] Speaker 05: But my question is, how much time then does the district have to respond? [00:04:23] Speaker 05: When does the clock run for their response? [00:04:25] Speaker 05: Because that's one of the purposes of the application for permission, is to give notice to the other side. [00:04:30] Speaker 05: Under your theory, when did the clock start running on their reply? [00:04:37] Speaker 04: Your Honor, I think that their reply was set forth in the brief, just as it was in us. [00:04:42] Speaker 04: The time period, and I accept Your Honor's point, that there was no point in which the district could know that its time to start running has started to run in order to oppose a petition for permission to appeal. [00:04:55] Speaker 05: Then that sort of undercuts [00:04:58] Speaker 05: your argument that this is a functional equivalent because one of the functions of the application for person field is to give notice to your adversary. [00:05:07] Speaker 05: And you're saying they had no way of knowing that here. [00:05:09] Speaker 04: They certainly knew that we were here before this court on a petition for permission to appeal. [00:05:16] Speaker 04: They could have filed an opposition at any point. [00:05:20] Speaker 04: And as your honor points out, we could not have objected that such an opposition would be untimely. [00:05:25] Speaker 04: They filed their opposition in their brief in this case. [00:05:29] Speaker 04: And we're not saying that that is an untimely opposition to what we think was substantial compliance. [00:05:36] Speaker 04: Before we go further on this, there's an alternative route that is available to the court because the case comes up in an unusual posture, Your Honor. [00:05:47] Speaker 04: The district court made clear that it was not going to reconsider this. [00:05:52] Speaker 04: As far as it was concerned, this was a final matter. [00:05:55] Speaker 04: It also said that [00:05:56] Speaker 04: there was going to be the potential for serious disruption if this matter were not resolved as it was. [00:06:04] Speaker 04: That's the equivalent of a Rule 54B determination that there's no just cause for delay in the appeal. [00:06:11] Speaker 05: The District of Columbia urged to the District Court... If we disagreed with you, why couldn't the District Court just recertify the question and start all over again? [00:06:19] Speaker 04: It could, Your Honor. [00:06:20] Speaker 05: It could. [00:06:20] Speaker 05: That's what they did in the Fifth Circuit, right? [00:06:22] Speaker 04: I'm sure that was such a good done in the old one case indeed this court could do it uh... before it's by hands-down uh... decision on this matter so that the same panel uh... has jurisdiction that conserves judicial resources but the alternative approach is the district had suggested rule fifty-four b govern the motion uh... not rule fifty ninety the district court agreed that rule fifty-four b govern the motion that was in connection with [00:06:51] Speaker 04: its ability to reconsider anything at any time before judgment is issued on the merits. [00:06:56] Speaker 04: But this court, in a case called Inri Tolson, let me just get this. [00:07:09] Speaker 04: Tulsa v. United States, which is 732F2998, a 10,002, 10,003, 1984 case, the court held that a 1292B certification could be considered a Rule 54B certification, and that was relatively easy to do, much easier than the reverse would be to do. [00:07:31] Speaker 04: And in that event, the filing of the Notice of Appeal would have perfected a Rule 54B notice, and you have the equivalent. [00:07:39] Speaker 04: The unusual feature of this case is that the district has not [00:07:45] Speaker 04: Shall I say, it has not strongly defended the decision on the merits below that the ADAA does not apply. [00:07:52] Speaker 04: Did you say it hasn't strongly defended it? [00:07:55] Speaker 03: It has not strongly defended it. [00:07:58] Speaker 03: It hasn't even argued it or briefed it. [00:08:01] Speaker 04: That's right, Your Honor, and footnote two of this brief suggests that it might even concede it. [00:08:04] Speaker 03: So why isn't that, I'll ask your colleague, why isn't that a confession of error? [00:08:08] Speaker 04: Well, before the court, the unusual posture, where there may not be much of a dispute about the merits of the case, the question is just how we get here. [00:08:16] Speaker 03: Well, if we get to it. [00:08:17] Speaker 03: If we get here. [00:08:18] Speaker 03: And if we're not here, then they don't need to have argued it, do they? [00:08:22] Speaker 04: That's right, Your Honor. [00:08:22] Speaker 04: And we're really concerned about conserving judicial resources and making sure that the matter comes before the same panel. [00:08:29] Speaker 00: Do you really want this panel and you? [00:08:31] Speaker 04: I'm sorry, Your Honor? [00:08:31] Speaker 00: Do you really want this panel and you? [00:08:34] Speaker 00: Not that they want it. [00:08:37] Speaker 04: We like this panel, Your Honor. [00:08:40] Speaker 03: You need to wrap up, so you can give your colleagues some time. [00:08:43] Speaker 04: Thank you, Your Honor. [00:08:46] Speaker 03: Ms. [00:08:46] Speaker 03: Leary. [00:08:52] Speaker 01: May it please the court, Shane and Larry, for petitioner. [00:08:54] Speaker 01: I will be addressing three issues, none of which the district contested on appeal. [00:08:58] Speaker 01: First, I will address why the 2009 denial of Mr. Kennedy's request for accommodation and related subsequent incidents are discrete acts of discrimination. [00:09:07] Speaker 01: Second, I will address the concern about retroactive application of the amendments to earlier incidents. [00:09:13] Speaker 01: And third and finally, I will address the concern that Mr. Kennedy's claims represent an attempt to circumvent the statute of limitations of the ADA. [00:09:22] Speaker 01: This appeal addresses the issue of whether the 2008 amendments to the Americans with Disabilities Act govern the 2009 denial of Mr. Kennedy's request for accommodation and subsequent related acts. [00:09:33] Speaker 01: Appellant requested this court vacate the lower court's ruling that the 2008 amendments do not apply and remand it for further processing. [00:09:41] Speaker 01: Mr. Kennedy was a firefighter and later a fire inspector for the DC District of Columbia's Fire and Emergency Medical Services from 2002 through 2013. [00:09:51] Speaker 01: Mr. Kennedy also suffered from a condition known as pseudophiliculitis barbae, also referred to as PFB, which is a skin condition that affects predominantly African American men. [00:10:02] Speaker 01: It can result in both infection, permanent scarring, inflammation, and ingrown hairs, pastules, and a variety of different infections. [00:10:13] Speaker 05: I'm just curious, how would the fire department accommodate that if they need to have... Your Honor, the only... [00:10:21] Speaker 01: A truly effective treatment for PFB is that an individual maintain a small amount of facial hair. [00:10:28] Speaker 05: In this instance, Mr. Kennedy- But the district's got the point, the fire department's got the point that he's got to be able to wear the gear and can't do so with the growth. [00:10:37] Speaker 01: Is that- So, Your Honor, it's actually, Mr. Kennedy played facts that it is not correct that he cannot do so. [00:10:44] Speaker 01: The district was allowing, by exemption from a court order, [00:10:48] Speaker 01: individuals who invoked a religious exemption to maintain full beards. [00:10:53] Speaker 01: And Mr. Kennedy was actually working with several firefighters who were maintaining full beards. [00:10:57] Speaker 01: And Mr. Kennedy was not asking to not have to take the fit test. [00:11:00] Speaker 01: He wanted to take the fit test to make sure that masks sealed just like anyone else. [00:11:06] Speaker 01: And if he could not safely wear it, then there were alternative masks that he could wear to ensure that there was a proper fit. [00:11:14] Speaker 01: The district had allowed others to maintain facial hair and go out with masks after taking the fit test. [00:11:22] Speaker 01: Despite this policy and despite the fact that Mr. Kennedy requested accommodations in 2008-2009 and later dates, and despite the individuals being permitted to wear full beards, the district denied Mr. Kennedy's request for accommodation. [00:11:38] Speaker 01: Each of those requests for accommodation and the denials, even although there was one in 2008 and then again a denial in 2009, [00:11:45] Speaker 01: are discrete acts of discrimination. [00:11:47] Speaker 01: The Supreme Court held that in National Railroad Passenger Corporation versus Morgan, that each discrete discriminatory act starts the clock anew. [00:11:55] Speaker 01: And the existence of related past acts does not bar employees from filing charges about related discrete acts, so long as the acts are independently discriminatory. [00:12:05] Speaker 01: The question then becomes whether or not the incident was its own intentionally discriminatory act or whether or not it was the inevitable but delayed consequence of an earlier discriminatory act. [00:12:16] Speaker 01: And the court explained in Ledbetter versus Goodyear Tire that where an employer engaged in a series of intentionally discriminatory acts, a violation takes place when each act is committed. [00:12:26] Speaker 01: Here the denial of Mr. Kennedy's 2009 request for accommodation was a discreet act. [00:12:31] Speaker 01: It was certainly not the delayed but inevitable consequence of his 2009 denial, given that the scope of the law had changed so greatly such that [00:12:40] Speaker 01: the response to the 2009 denial could have been a different response than the response in the 2008 request for accommodation. [00:12:49] Speaker 01: This court has recognized that such a change in circumstances surrounding the denial of a subsequent request for accommodation can give rise to a discrete act. [00:12:57] Speaker 01: In Barrett v. Covington, Berlin, this court held that a claim based on the denial of a new request made in light of changed circumstances would not be time barred. [00:13:05] Speaker 01: Likewise, in Jayola versus DC, this court stated that when an employee whose employer has denied his initial request for disability accommodation makes a subsequent request for a new accommodation, the denial of that new request can give rise to a fresh act of discrimination. [00:13:21] Speaker 01: Although those cases dealt with a change in medical condition, they are comparable to here because the focus is on whether or not the denial of the new request could give rise to a different response that has a different intent behind it. [00:13:33] Speaker 01: In this instance, it was the change in the scope of the definition of disability, and that scope was changed with the intent that more individuals would be protected by the law. [00:13:45] Speaker 01: As such, [00:13:46] Speaker 01: The district's response to Mr. Kennedy's request could have been a different response in 2009. [00:13:51] Speaker 01: And as such, that makes it a discrete act. [00:13:56] Speaker 01: Other courts have reached the same conclusion that Mr. Kennedy asks you to reach today. [00:14:00] Speaker 01: A district court in Connecticut considered whether or not medical students repeated requests for accommodations beginning before 2009 but continuing into 2009 were governed by the amendments. [00:14:10] Speaker 01: And the court held that the amendments governed all events [00:14:14] Speaker 01: all denials of accommodation occurring in 2009 or later, but not earlier than that. [00:14:19] Speaker 01: Likewise, a district court in Ohio held that because the amendments were not retroactive, they did not apply to denials of accommodation requests occurring prior to 2009, but they did apply to denials of accommodation requests in 2009 or later. [00:14:35] Speaker 01: Concerning the issue of retroactivity, this should not be a problem here because Mr. Kennedy is not asking that this court apply the 2008 amendments [00:14:44] Speaker 01: to any events that occurred prior to their effective date. [00:14:47] Speaker 01: He is simply asking that this court treat the 2009 denials as discrete acts and apply the governing law at the time accordingly. [00:14:55] Speaker 01: Likewise, the lower court raised a concern that Mr. Kennedy was attempting to circumvent the statute of limitations of the ADA or that it might open the door for others to do so. [00:15:05] Speaker 01: However, because a denial of accommodation is a discrete act and it does not [00:15:10] Speaker 01: a continuing violation, allowing Mr. Kennedy to govern the claims under the 2008 amendments would not allow others to bootstrap in otherwise untimely claims, because again, if a claim for denial in 2008 is not timely filed, you can't bring it in just because you bring in a claim for a discrete act of discrimination in 2009. [00:15:33] Speaker 01: As the denial of Mr. Kennedy's 2009 request for accommodation and subsequent related incidents were discrete acts of discrimination to which the 2008 amendments apply, appellant respectfully requests that this court reverse the lower court's decision and remand for further processing. [00:15:46] Speaker 03: All right. [00:15:47] Speaker 03: Thank you. [00:15:47] Speaker 03: Thank you. [00:15:48] Speaker 03: Ms. [00:15:49] Speaker 03: Anderson? [00:15:54] Speaker 02: As the shortest attorney appearing before your honors today, I'm going to lower this a little bit. [00:16:01] Speaker 02: Good morning. [00:16:02] Speaker 02: May it please the Court, Stacey Anderson on behalf of the District Appellees. [00:16:06] Speaker 02: Your Honor, as we would ask that the Court dismiss this case for lack of jurisdiction, 28 U.S.C. [00:16:11] Speaker 02: Section 1292B contains two prerequisites to an appeal in this Court. [00:16:16] Speaker 02: First, the District must certify that there's a controlling question of law over which there's a substantial grounds for disagreement and which will materially advance the termination of the litigation. [00:16:27] Speaker 02: The second requirement, which is wholly absent in this case, is an application for permission to appeal in this court. [00:16:33] Speaker 02: Appellants have argued that they've presented the functional equivalent of an application through the district court's actions of transferring the notice of appeal of district court decision to this court. [00:16:44] Speaker 05: That simply has- If we were in the Ninth Circuit, though, this would be sufficient. [00:16:47] Speaker 05: Don't you agree? [00:16:48] Speaker 05: Don't you read their cases that way? [00:16:50] Speaker 02: I don't believe that the amalgamated decision from the Ninth Circuit, I think, turned on concerns of due process there. [00:16:56] Speaker 02: In that case, the court was interpreting a statute that was really countertextual to what the time frames were indicated in the statute, and out of an abundance of caution, allowed the appeal to go forward in that case. [00:17:09] Speaker 02: Appellants have cited two other cases in Ray Turner out of the Seventh Circuit and then Casey out of the Second Circuit. [00:17:16] Speaker 02: And in both of those instances, something was actually filed in the Court of Appeals. [00:17:20] Speaker 02: In Turner, the underlying application from the District Court came to the Court of Appeals, along with the entire record. [00:17:25] Speaker 02: We don't have that here. [00:17:27] Speaker 02: And then in the Casey case, the appellants actually filed a brief with the court within the 10-day time frame in which they made their case for jurisdiction. [00:17:34] Speaker 02: And again, we have nothing like that here. [00:17:36] Speaker 02: We just simply have the district court transferring the notes of appeal. [00:17:39] Speaker 02: So I have been able to find no authority that would support the proposition that that simple act of the district court transferring the notes of appeal in the district court's decision suffices for the application requirement. [00:17:51] Speaker 02: So in light of that, it is the district's position that the court should dismiss this appeal for lack of jurisdiction. [00:17:57] Speaker 02: There's no question. [00:17:58] Speaker 03: All right. [00:17:58] Speaker 03: Thank you. [00:17:59] Speaker 03: Thank you. [00:18:00] Speaker 03: Does Mr. Seymour have any time? [00:18:04] Speaker 03: Why don't you take two minutes if you need them. [00:18:11] Speaker 03: All right. [00:18:11] Speaker 03: Well, we're going to clear the court. [00:18:13] Speaker 03: Thank you.