[00:00:02] Speaker 02: Case number 15-7094, Michael Queen, appellant versus Ed Schultz. [00:00:07] Speaker 02: Mr. Tepler for the appellant, Mr. Hayes for the appellee. [00:00:31] Speaker 03: Good morning, Your Honors. [00:00:32] Speaker 03: May it please the Court, Stephen Tepler for the appointment of Michael Queen. [00:00:36] Speaker 03: The overarching theme of Mr. Queen's appeal is that although he was entitled to a full trial, he was also entitled to a fair trial. [00:00:46] Speaker 03: And we believe that he was not, and that provides bases for a reversal and remand. [00:00:53] Speaker 03: I'd like to focus first on the business records exception that Mr. Queen has brought in our brief. [00:01:00] Speaker 03: The trial court erred in refusing to admit more than 1,200 emails between the parties pursuant to a federal rule of evidence 8036. [00:01:10] Speaker 03: And it is clear that the 1,200-plus email set clearly sets forth regularity, extensive enterprise planning, and performance, even payment and pilot production in connection with the efforts to create a political talk show featuring Mr. Schultz as the host. [00:01:28] Speaker 03: these admission of these 1,200 emails spanning a startup, and it's critical to note here that this business was a startup during a 14-month period between February 2008 and April 2009, would thus have clearly demonstrated to the jury the existence of a partnership, and their exclusion was both an abuse of discretion and prejudicial to Mr. Queen's case. [00:01:53] Speaker 03: The trial judge improperly ruled that Mr. Queen was not a credible custodian and that his record keeping was haphazard. [00:02:00] Speaker 03: This is a startup and emails today are the scene going on of how communications between most businesses, I would even presume to think almost every business, [00:02:10] Speaker 03: conducts business. [00:02:11] Speaker 03: And in fact, emails are almost passé. [00:02:15] Speaker 03: You now have text messages and emoticons, these symbols which denote concepts and communicative types of expressions, which are also finding their way into business communications. [00:02:28] Speaker 03: And so to rule that emails [00:02:31] Speaker 03: in any way do not constitute business records when generated with a regularity and with the volume and with the persistence that the parties did, we believe was error. [00:02:44] Speaker 01: There was no... Do you think emoticons are business records? [00:02:47] Speaker 01: Pardon me? [00:02:47] Speaker 01: You think emoticons are business records? [00:02:50] Speaker 03: Yes, I think, and if they're, yes. [00:02:52] Speaker 03: We've seen them start to be used in text messages and with each new introduction of emoticons. [00:02:59] Speaker 01: Because they come with inherent degrees of reliability. [00:03:02] Speaker 03: the inherent degrees of interpretation as well. [00:03:04] Speaker 03: It makes for an interesting jury question as to how these are interpreted and also presents challenges, I think, to counsel. [00:03:13] Speaker 03: The frequency and the volume of these demonstrate regularity and trustworthiness, which, by the way, was not objected to by the appellee, by Mr. Schulz's counsel. [00:03:24] Speaker 03: And as the Pacheco case shows, the burden [00:03:28] Speaker 03: is on the opposing party to object to the trustworthiness of these emails. [00:03:34] Speaker 03: The records custodianship of these emails was agreed to by stipulation at pretrial. [00:03:42] Speaker 03: And in fact, the trial court noted with approval and call excellent that there was no need to have this composite set of emails authenticated piece by piece individually. [00:03:53] Speaker 03: As for any hearsay issues that might have been contained within these emails, certainly during the pretrial period two weeks before the trial, these issues and redactions, appropriate redactions, could have been made. [00:04:04] Speaker 03: But no objection was made by the appellee, Mr. Schulz, and there was no motion in limiting related to that composite set. [00:04:14] Speaker 03: And in addition, the appellee, Mr. Schulz's counsel, has had [00:04:18] Speaker 03: this composite set of emails at least since 2011 in the prior proceeding. [00:04:25] Speaker 03: The trial judge also ruled on the content as puffery, and I'd like to take a moment to state that in looking at the emails that are set forth in Mr. Queen's brief, both in the initial as well as the reply brief, it's clear that there was discussion about partnership splits, about scheduling for appearances, about funding, about the payment. [00:04:50] Speaker 03: about the production facilities that were to be used in creating the pilot. [00:04:56] Speaker 03: All of this indicates not only a planning, but an execution of performance and a goal towards achieving a specific objective, which underscores the evidence that fully supports the existence of a partnership. [00:05:12] Speaker 03: And the exclusion of these emails [00:05:15] Speaker 03: as hearsay not covered under the business records exception, flies in the face of today's business reality. [00:05:24] Speaker 03: I'd like Nix to talk about the spoliation issue that we raised in our briefs. [00:05:32] Speaker 03: Under either the old rule or the new rule 37, and I understand that if this were to be reversed and remanded, that new rule 37 would apply in accordance with Justice Roberts' admonition that current cases be [00:05:47] Speaker 03: be determined under that rule, the trial court would have aired nonetheless in ruling that Mr. Schultz had no reasonable anticipation of litigation to preserve until litigation commenced in 2009. [00:06:00] Speaker 03: Mr. Schultz took no reasonable steps to preserve at all. [00:06:04] Speaker 03: Neither did Mr. Landa, who it is admitted represented both Mr. Queen and Mr. Schultz as part of the partnership. [00:06:13] Speaker 03: And both Mr. Landa and Mr. Schultz had an obligation to preserve these emails, both as a duty to the partnership and as a duty to each individual of the partnership and to the individuals themselves. [00:06:26] Speaker 03: Mr. Schultz admitted to deleting all of his emails. [00:06:29] Speaker 01: Are those emails ones from Queen? [00:06:31] Speaker 01: Pardon me? [00:06:32] Speaker 01: Are the emails that are, with respect to Schultz, are they emails from Queen? [00:06:35] Speaker 03: Yes, they are. [00:06:36] Speaker 03: All the emails that have been produced in this are from Mr. Queen. [00:06:40] Speaker 03: Mr. Schultz produced no emails. [00:06:42] Speaker 03: And then did Queen preserve the emails? [00:06:44] Speaker 03: Mr. Queen did preserve his emails. [00:06:46] Speaker 03: These emails were a Gmail account, were a Google Mail account. [00:06:49] Speaker 03: So there was no question and no objection and no assertion that these emails had not been preserved or preserved at Google. [00:07:00] Speaker 03: And the trial court, in deciding not to impose sanctions, erred in considering five different trigger dates. [00:07:12] Speaker 03: The only trigger date that the court focused on was the trigger date involving the first meeting between the appellate and the appellee. [00:07:19] Speaker 01: There was more. [00:07:20] Speaker 01: I'm sorry to go back to this, but if Queen preserved the emails [00:07:24] Speaker 01: then what's the harm? [00:07:25] Speaker 03: The harm is that there were emails between Mr. Landa and Mr. Schultz, which we are fairly certain were not disclosed because there was at least one email from Mr. Landa to Mr. Schultz, which Mr. Schultz then forwarded to Mr. Queen and which Mr. Queen produced. [00:07:41] Speaker 03: So we assumed that there were other – and that email basically told Mr. Schultz not to sign any partnership agreement. [00:07:48] Speaker 03: So we assumed – we can only presume that there must have been additional emails that were both prejudicial as well as relevant to the appellant's case, to Mr. Queen's case. [00:07:59] Speaker 03: So there was a March 3rd email forward. [00:08:02] Speaker 03: from Schultz to land in discussing negative minds. [00:08:05] Speaker 03: March 5th, Schultz to Queen discussing partnership splits and percentages. [00:08:10] Speaker 03: March 16th of 08, land at a Queen terms of agreement that Schultz would be willing to sign. [00:08:16] Speaker 03: April 5th, 2008, the Schultz to Queen email that states that any TV deal will involve Mr. Queen and will involve him financially and that Mr. Schultz would not screw Mr. Queen, and I quote, [00:08:29] Speaker 03: May 28, 2008, from Shultz to Queen, let's leave legal matters at the water judge. [00:08:36] Speaker 03: I'm not going to screw you. [00:08:38] Speaker 03: That's in the appendix, joint appendix at 666. [00:08:40] Speaker 03: These types of comments from Mr. Shultz to Mr. Queen certainly indicated that if there was [00:08:50] Speaker 03: some friction between the parties. [00:08:52] Speaker 03: And certainly, when somebody starts talking about legal matters at water's edge, it almost presumes that somebody thinks that there's going to be a problem down the line. [00:09:01] Speaker 03: And certainly, there was a trigger to preserve the electronically stored information. [00:09:06] Speaker 03: So Mr. Schultz admitted that Mr. Landau was counseled for both Mr. Queen and Mr. Schultz. [00:09:15] Speaker 03: Also, the trial court instructed the jury, and we believe that this is very, very serious error in the trial court's part, that there was no evidence in the record about Mr. Schultz having deleted his email despite Mr. Schultz's testimony in open court that he had deleted his emails. [00:09:30] Speaker 03: And despite numerous references in motions [00:09:32] Speaker 03: for spoliation that the appellant filed, that Mr. Queen filed in court, and despite the argument at the charging conference. [00:09:41] Speaker 03: And these were all part of the appendix and part of the records, Your Honors. [00:09:45] Speaker 03: This failure to, this positive instruction to the jury to ignore what was a critical fact in this case, that Mr. Schulz had deleted all his emails, we believe also provides ample basis for reversal and remand. [00:10:00] Speaker 03: So we have only one email between Mr. Landau and Mr. Schultz that was produced, and we believe that that also was failed to be noted by the court. [00:10:13] Speaker 03: I'll turn last, and I realize I have very little time left to judicial bias. [00:10:17] Speaker 03: There are many instances in which the tone and demeanor of the trial court indicated a bias towards appellant's counsel, towards Mr. Queen's counsel. [00:10:28] Speaker 03: The email deletions are one prime example. [00:10:33] Speaker 03: There's an encouragement of improper arguments to be made to the jury. [00:10:37] Speaker 03: The trial court encouraged appellant's counsel to use involuntary servitude as a quote, unquote, good argument to the jury. [00:10:45] Speaker 03: threatened at Collins Council with unwarranted Rule 11 motions because of a paragraph and allegation in the original complaint, which when we attempted to correct an amended complaint by order of the court, was denied. [00:11:02] Speaker 03: So we were placed in a box by having to [00:11:05] Speaker 03: rely on an original complaint, which the court would not permit us to amend, even though the mandate from the court coming down was pretty simple, partnership, formation, and breach. [00:11:16] Speaker 03: But because that one paragraph was not supported as evinced by our subsequent discovery and we were subsequent counsel, we were placed as I recounted to the court in a box. [00:11:29] Speaker 03: And I will reserve what little time I have left. [00:11:33] Speaker 03: Thank you. [00:11:34] Speaker 02: Thank you. [00:11:39] Speaker 00: Good morning. [00:11:40] Speaker 00: May it please the court, John Hayes on behalf of Mr. Schulz. [00:11:46] Speaker 00: I respectfully submit that an overarching problem in this case, which percolates up in all these issues raised by the appellant, is the appellant's failure to amend his complaint after this court remanded. [00:12:02] Speaker 00: That created a circumstance in which neither the court [00:12:07] Speaker 00: nor the defendant knew what the partnership claim was. [00:12:11] Speaker 00: And I'll touch on some of the issues counsel has mentioned and relate them to that fundamental problem. [00:12:18] Speaker 00: When we began this trial, we did not know what this partnership claim was all about. [00:12:23] Speaker 00: Indeed, as the record indicates, until [00:12:28] Speaker 00: The plaintiff was cross-examined and admitted that his theory was that the partnership was formed in the hallway at Channel 4 during a 10-minute meeting in January of 2008. [00:12:42] Speaker 00: No one knew what the theory was. [00:12:46] Speaker 00: So, the emails being admitted as business records issue. [00:12:51] Speaker 00: I respectfully submit it is virtually impossible [00:12:55] Speaker 00: from reviewing the appellant's briefs to determine precisely which emails they're talking about. [00:13:03] Speaker 00: In the principal brief, the emails that the appellant talks about are the ones which came up at pretrial when Mr. Schulz filed a motion in limine, and that's mentioned in the appellant's brief. [00:13:18] Speaker 00: The motion in limine dealt with email communications between 10 individuals, and the court ultimately granted that motion in limine. [00:13:29] Speaker 00: That's the set, if you will, of emails that the appellant complains about in its primary brief, its initial brief in this court. [00:13:38] Speaker 00: Now, when you get to their reply brief, there are a lot of other emails. [00:13:43] Speaker 00: Indeed, I think it's pages seven through 23 of the reply brief, which are made up of nothing more than citations to a series of emails with parenthetical descriptions of what they say. [00:13:57] Speaker 00: That's done, I would respectfully submit, because as we pointed out in our brief, one of the things they're required to do in order to have these emails come in as business records is point to the ones they're talking about, authenticate them under cone, and explain how they would affect the outcome. [00:14:19] Speaker 00: That issue was not addressed below by the appellant. [00:14:22] Speaker 00: It's certainly not addressed coherently in their initial brief. [00:14:26] Speaker 00: And when you get to the reply brief, as I said, you have 16 pages of references to emails. [00:14:32] Speaker 00: Now, if you go through those, many of those emails were actually admitted as individual exhibits. [00:14:39] Speaker 00: So for example, they complain about the email which is a JA666. [00:14:45] Speaker 00: Well, that's also a JA1783, and it was admitted. [00:14:49] Speaker 00: Similarly, if you look at JA721, they complain about that email, but it was admitted. [00:14:56] Speaker 00: And that's seen at JA1784. [00:15:01] Speaker 00: And I could go through actually some others. [00:15:03] Speaker 00: Several of these emails came in. [00:15:05] Speaker 00: So as I said at the outset, it's not at all clear, I would respectfully submit, what the issue is with respect to the specific emails that the appellant claims should have been admitted as business records. [00:15:19] Speaker 00: As I said a moment ago, if you look to Cone, there are two criteria that Cone mentions that are significant. [00:15:30] Speaker 00: Emails can be admitted if they're properly authenticated. [00:15:34] Speaker 00: There was no effort whatsoever at trial to properly authenticate these emails. [00:15:41] Speaker 00: As the trial judge said, I would submit quite appropriately, there were email dumps [00:15:48] Speaker 00: on more than one occasion during this trial. [00:15:51] Speaker 00: It started with an attempt to admit 1,200 pages on the first day of trial. [00:15:58] Speaker 00: That was not permitted. [00:16:00] Speaker 00: Subsequently, there were other email dumps, if you will, where the plaintiff wanted to put in a whole set of unauthenticated emails. [00:16:09] Speaker 00: Exhibit 1E is a prime example that occurred at the end of the trial. [00:16:13] Speaker 00: But in no circumstance did this appellant make an effort to properly authenticate the emails. [00:16:23] Speaker 00: And the mere fact that someone... And you objected on that basis? [00:16:27] Speaker 00: Pardon me, Your Honor? [00:16:28] Speaker 02: And you objected on that basis? [00:16:29] Speaker 00: We did object, Your Honor. [00:16:30] Speaker 00: We objected when the 1,200 were offered in the first day of trial. [00:16:34] Speaker 02: Did you object on the basis of trustworthiness? [00:16:39] Speaker 00: Yes, Your Honor, and we objected on the basis of [00:16:43] Speaker 00: prejudice and hearsay because there's multiple layers of hearsay throughout these emails. [00:16:53] Speaker 00: And as the court said in Cohen, simply keeping and receiving emails is not enough [00:17:01] Speaker 00: to establish that they are trustworthy and therefore ought to be admitted. [00:17:06] Speaker 00: So I respectfully submit that the argument that the appellant advances with respect to the courts. [00:17:14] Speaker 02: I just want to follow up on that because the plaintiff says that you didn't object on the basis of trustworthiness. [00:17:24] Speaker 02: Where is the objection in the record? [00:17:26] Speaker 00: Well, if Your Honor, please. [00:17:30] Speaker 00: It depends on which set of emails we're talking about. [00:17:39] Speaker 00: So as I said a moment ago, on the first day of trial, I think it was the first day, I was certainly early in trial, the appellant offered 1,200 documents, which the appellant has always characterized as emails, but if you look through there, there's more than email in that binder. [00:17:58] Speaker 00: We objected to that. [00:17:59] Speaker 00: We had objected to it at pretrial as well. [00:18:02] Speaker 00: Peer say was our primary objection at that point, in addition to lack of foundation. [00:18:09] Speaker 00: Now, and the court did not admit those 1200. [00:18:12] Speaker 00: Subsequently, the appellant offered segments of the 1200, let me put it that way, and exhibit, I think it was one E, was offered [00:18:29] Speaker 00: as the plaintiff rested. [00:18:31] Speaker 02: So you object initially on the basis of hearsay, and the plaintiff comes back and says business records exception. [00:18:40] Speaker 00: Ultimately, they did. [00:18:41] Speaker 02: Yeah. [00:18:42] Speaker 02: And then my question is whether under the business records exception, it's the opponent's burden to show lack of trustworthiness. [00:18:54] Speaker 02: My question was, did you ever make that objection under 803? [00:19:00] Speaker 00: Well, I believe we did, Your Honor, in the sense that this issue was argued at pretrial, and Judge Howell made a ruling at pretrial, and indeed there was examination of the plaintiff [00:19:24] Speaker 00: during that hearing at which he was questioned about record-keeping procedures and other items that go to trustworthiness. [00:19:34] Speaker 00: And then there was an argument at pretrial about the admissibility. [00:19:39] Speaker 02: That's what he said. [00:19:39] Speaker 02: I made no effort to make sure these were accurate or something for that. [00:19:45] Speaker 00: Yes. [00:19:46] Speaker 00: And I'm paraphrasing. [00:19:48] Speaker 00: His testimony was that he was [00:19:56] Speaker 00: He kept the emails, but he was more interested in trying to advance what he viewed as the partnership interest rather than keeping records. [00:20:08] Speaker 00: Again, that's a paraphrase of what he said. [00:20:10] Speaker 00: And there was an argument before the court at pretrial about whether they should be admitted under 803. [00:20:21] Speaker 02: The argument was... So you didn't make a specific objection that these are not trustworthy under 803? [00:20:29] Speaker 00: No, Your Honor, I can't say we did specifically pick that up. [00:20:32] Speaker 00: I can't say that. [00:20:34] Speaker 00: But I can say that we objected each time it came up, and I could say, as I said at the outset, it came up several times, and I think this is significant. [00:20:44] Speaker 00: It's very difficult to tell, I would submit, exactly which ruling they're talking about here. [00:20:51] Speaker 00: because of the sequence of events with regard to these emails. [00:20:57] Speaker 00: And I surmise that probably it's the ruling with respect to Exhibit 1E that they're actually complaining about, but those were admitted with the limiting instruction. [00:21:10] Speaker 00: And it's a limiting instruction that if you look at the record, the plaintiff requested. [00:21:14] Speaker 01: I thought they were arguing about both. [00:21:16] Speaker 01: They were arguing about the, I don't know if I have the numbering correctly, but 1E is the 200 some odd emails that were introduced at the end of the plaintiff's case. [00:21:26] Speaker 01: There were some to be introduced at the end of the plaintiff's case. [00:21:27] Speaker 00: 226 pages. [00:21:29] Speaker 01: Yeah, 226 pages. [00:21:30] Speaker 01: And then there was a 1,200 that they're also arguing about. [00:21:34] Speaker 00: Yes, but they may be. [00:21:39] Speaker 00: many of the twelve hundred came in so i don't know what the basis of the uh... appellate issue is because they haven't specified somebody some of them didn't for me and you know i'm not saying you necessarily lose on this matter but you you'd at least some of them didn't comment that's correct but some of them didn't come in and there was a colloquy a couple of times without word about specific ones which were for example with third parties [00:22:07] Speaker 00: without any authentication whatsoever. [00:22:11] Speaker 00: So they're being offered as a statement by a third party, presumably offers the truth of the matter asserted. [00:22:17] Speaker 00: And we had the continuing hearsay objection. [00:22:18] Speaker 02: That objection is a 403 objection. [00:22:21] Speaker 00: Well, it was hearsay and then a 403 objection. [00:22:24] Speaker 00: Yes, Your Honor. [00:22:30] Speaker 00: Because of the way the plaintiff approached these exhibits and presented them to the court, there is, I submit, confusion as to precisely what emails we're talking about here with regard to this pellet issue. [00:22:45] Speaker 00: And as I've said, the 1E emails came in with the limiting instruction that the plaintiff asked for. [00:22:56] Speaker 00: My time is up, so unless there are further questions, [00:23:01] Speaker 00: Thank you. [00:23:05] Speaker 02: Mr. Tepler, you are out of time, but we'll give you a minute for rebuttal. [00:23:09] Speaker 03: Thank you, Judge Bannon. [00:23:10] Speaker 03: I'll try to make this as quickly as possible. [00:23:13] Speaker 03: First, all these documents were authenticated. [00:23:17] Speaker 03: They were authenticated at pretrial. [00:23:19] Speaker 03: The court acknowledges that the party so stipulated pretrial, and this is a quote from the pretrial conference, neither party objects to the authenticity of any of the exhibits. [00:23:29] Speaker 03: And then further, and this is the pre-trial transcript in May at 24 to 25, the court also says, I'm not going to have to sit through a records custodian and neither are the jurors. [00:23:40] Speaker 03: Mr. Queen, right? [00:23:41] Speaker 03: Mr. Schulz's counsel was silent. [00:23:43] Speaker 03: The court then responds, excellent. [00:23:46] Speaker 03: These records were all authenticated at pretrial. [00:23:50] Speaker 03: And Mr. Hayes talks about not one email proves Plaintiff's entire case or Mr. Queen's entire case. [00:24:01] Speaker 03: That wasn't the point. [00:24:02] Speaker 03: It was the set of emails that shows the context and the performance of the individuals in performing the partnership. [00:24:09] Speaker 03: There were many documents, many, many emails that were [00:24:12] Speaker 03: also excluded on the basis of hearsay not coming under the exception of 8036. [00:24:19] Speaker 02: Is counsel correct that the emails that you paraphrased or took quotations from in the reply brief, that some of them were in fact admitted? [00:24:30] Speaker 03: Some of them were admitted, Your Honor, but I believe so. [00:24:33] Speaker 03: I believe that some of them were, but we included this in the reply to show the regularity and show how these, in mass, the composite emails constituted business records. [00:24:47] Speaker 03: And so to the extent that they're persistent and regular and even Mr. Queen's testimony was that he kept them in chronological order and he kept them to the best of his ability. [00:25:00] Speaker 03: He claimed he was not a secretary, and that's correct. [00:25:04] Speaker 03: He testified that his aim was to further the aims of the partnership. [00:25:09] Speaker 02: So your submission on appeal is that all 1200 of the emails and whatever other documents were in that folder. [00:25:19] Speaker 02: a binder should have been admitted. [00:25:22] Speaker 03: Under the business records exception, yes, they were admitted for state of mind, with a limiting instruction that basically eviscerated any value to the jury whatsoever. [00:25:31] Speaker 03: And we did preserve our objections based on that. [00:25:34] Speaker 01: No, but the limiting instruction wasn't for the 1,200. [00:25:37] Speaker 03: The limiting instruction was to the set of documents. [00:25:41] Speaker 03: There was no number that was indicated by the court. [00:25:48] Speaker 01: I thought there was 1,200 at the outset, and then at the end of the plaintiff's case, it had narrowed to 226 pages, and the limiting construction with respect to the 226 pages. [00:25:58] Speaker 01: Is that the bit? [00:25:59] Speaker 01: Yeah. [00:26:00] Speaker 01: Thank you. [00:26:03] Speaker 02: The case will be submitted.