[00:00:00] Speaker 03: Case number 16-7130, Michelle Rush and Lawanda Britt, Appellants vs. Federal and National Mortgage Association. [00:00:09] Speaker 03: Mr. Goldsmith for the Appellants. [00:00:11] Speaker 03: Mr. Blonder for the Appellee. [00:00:14] Speaker 01: Good morning, Mr. Goldsmith. [00:00:15] Speaker 01: Good morning. [00:00:16] Speaker 01: The district court granted summary judgment against both Ms. [00:00:19] Speaker 01: Britt and Ms. [00:00:20] Speaker 01: Rush on their employment retaliation claims against Fannie Mae. [00:00:25] Speaker 01: But the district court decision should be reversed and remanded for trial. [00:00:29] Speaker 01: With regard to Ms. [00:00:30] Speaker 01: Britt, there are two key errors that the district court made. [00:00:33] Speaker 01: First, in finding that there was no protected activity by Ms. [00:00:37] Speaker 01: Britt. [00:00:38] Speaker 01: Considering this court's ruling in Solomon versus Vilsack, [00:00:41] Speaker 01: Ms. [00:00:42] Speaker 01: Britsford's religious accommodation request clearly sufficed for the necessary protected activity. [00:00:50] Speaker 01: And in addition, it can also be inferred that the defendant understood her to have engaged in protected activity or activity that may have led them to their motive of retaliation, as will be discussed later on with regard to Ms. [00:01:03] Speaker 01: Rush. [00:01:04] Speaker 01: Now, the second error that the district court had [00:01:08] Speaker 01: was in finding that no reasonable jurors could find other than that Ms. [00:01:13] Speaker 01: Britt's termination was a legitimate performance-based firing. [00:01:16] Speaker 01: In fact, there is a considerable amount of timing evidence to indicate that there was no intention whatsoever on Fannie Mae's part [00:01:27] Speaker 01: to do anything of the sort as to firing Ms. [00:01:31] Speaker 01: Britt prior to the July 18th to 20th events, including email conversations and then the July 20th memo that Ms. [00:01:40] Speaker 01: Rush authored on behalf of Ms. [00:01:43] Speaker 01: Britt. [00:01:44] Speaker 01: Also, we have the motive evidence, which I think prominent among those pieces are the fact that the two firings were connected [00:01:56] Speaker 01: In Fannie Mae's documentation, they linked these two individuals who had been separated in terms of any work connection about a year earlier. [00:02:05] Speaker 01: And nonetheless, on August 7th, three weeks after the July 20th, 18th to 20th events, they had a meeting, took notes, wrote memos about how they were going to fire both of these people and that they were looking for reasons to justify that. [00:02:24] Speaker 01: There were also numerous impeachments on key items and amended performance appraisal after the fact for Ms. [00:02:32] Speaker 01: Rush after she'd been given her performance appraisal, invention of new deficiencies alleged against the employees for the firing. [00:02:41] Speaker 01: With regard to the issue of tolling, exhaustion, and Ms. [00:02:50] Speaker 01: Rush. [00:02:53] Speaker 01: The facts are sufficient to infer that Fannie Mae had a motive to retaliate, as it did with Ms. [00:02:57] Speaker 01: Britt. [00:02:58] Speaker 01: But as for the tolling, Fannie Mae is asserting that the administrative charge and the lawsuit allegations need to be virtually identical. [00:03:09] Speaker 01: However, DC Code 2-1403.16 states that where administrative complaint has been withdrawn, a suit may be brought, quote, as if no complaint had been filed. [00:03:20] Speaker 01: Now, the council could have just drafted that where administrative complaints have been withdrawn, the statute of limitations is told, or that it is told for the period during which the administrative complaint was under OHR review, but it did neither such thing. [00:03:36] Speaker 01: It went further in saying that a lawsuit could be filed on a withdrawn OHR complaint as if no complaint had been filed. [00:03:47] Speaker 01: Certainly, even if the court were to conclude that there were instances, it could be instances in which the administrative complaint and the court complaint were too disparate from each other, this wouldn't be that sort of a case. [00:04:03] Speaker 01: Because here, the conduct was all alleged in both instances. [00:04:07] Speaker 01: The only issue is with the characterization of the conduct. [00:04:11] Speaker 01: And in both instances, the conduct was characterized as retaliation, which is forbidden under the statute. [00:04:19] Speaker 01: The only issue that Fannie Mae is raising there is that in one instance, the conduct was being characterized as retaliatory based on a race complaint. [00:04:31] Speaker 01: as opposed to in the lawsuit retaliatory based on a retaliation complaint or a religion complaint. [00:04:38] Speaker 03: Why isn't that enough of a distinction? [00:04:40] Speaker 03: Because it's not like it was just inadvertent that one was race and one was religion. [00:04:45] Speaker 03: They were talking about something different, right? [00:04:47] Speaker 03: So it's both enveloped within the characterization of retaliation potentially, but one has to do with retaliation for someone's assertion of a race discrimination claim, and another has to do with retaliation for assertion of a religious discrimination claim that was a different one. [00:05:01] Speaker 01: They are different, and there is a whole body of law, so of course under Title VII and EEOC cases, dealing with how close they would need to be. [00:05:14] Speaker 01: And I would submit that in this case, they were close enough. [00:05:17] Speaker 01: It's important to note that though there is some distinction that can be drawn there, the religious retaliation issue [00:05:27] Speaker 01: It does come up. [00:05:29] Speaker 01: It comes up via a series of steps of one has to look at several different pieces of evidence to understand that it's being alleged initially. [00:05:39] Speaker 01: But Ms. [00:05:41] Speaker 01: Rush discussed that with the EEO investigator, or EEOC investigator, or HRC investigator, which is precisely what the Title VII standard would have required anyway. [00:05:51] Speaker 01: Importantly, the district court ignored the fact that she had [00:05:56] Speaker 01: added to her charge with an email that talked about the July 20th events, and also that she had had that conversation with the counselor, which she was asked about in an arbitration hearing in which she was subject to cross-examination. [00:06:13] Speaker 01: If there was any questioning about whether it was accurate, that could have been vetted there. [00:06:18] Speaker 01: I agree that there's a distinction, but I don't think that the distinction is sufficiently significant that it should trump the language of the statute or the fact that if one looks at the various steps that happened here, one sees that the issue was being vetted. [00:06:38] Speaker 01: In particular, [00:06:40] Speaker 01: In particular, the court should look closely at the check-in requirement. [00:06:45] Speaker 01: Ms. [00:06:45] Speaker 01: Rush was required to, through email correspondence on the 18th and 19th to, I'm sorry, Ms. [00:06:53] Speaker 01: Britt was required to check in and tell her superiors about where she was coming and going. [00:07:00] Speaker 01: And that was a new requirement that she found to be retaliatory in response to her request for religious accommodation [00:07:09] Speaker 01: which was discussed at the time, and then Ms. [00:07:12] Speaker 01: Rush brought that up with the investigator. [00:07:19] Speaker 01: So that same checking requirement is what's referenced in the July 20th memo, which is sort of at the center when we believe that the retaliation [00:07:28] Speaker 01: really becomes clear and significant leads to the firing. [00:07:33] Speaker 01: Indeed, Ms. [00:07:34] Speaker 01: Wilson admitted that she may have started to work on firing these employees right after that, maybe as early as the next day, July 21st. [00:07:44] Speaker 01: So as far as that issue goes, [00:07:58] Speaker 01: that check-in request by management forms a thread that connects the various different issues that occurred. [00:08:10] Speaker 01: With regard to Ms. [00:08:11] Speaker 01: Rush's protected activity, [00:08:16] Speaker 01: First of all, under the statute, if action is being taken against her for having aided or encouraged any other person in the exercise of their rights, then she is protected. [00:08:29] Speaker 01: That's precisely what Ms. [00:08:31] Speaker 01: Rush did and what Ms. [00:08:33] Speaker 01: Wilson did in retaliating against her. [00:08:35] Speaker 01: And the key evidence there of that violation is Ms. [00:08:38] Speaker 01: Wilson's admission by impeachment of prior testimony [00:08:42] Speaker 01: that even she may have interpreted the July 20th memo as being about the Ramadan issue, which had been accommodations and then the check-in. [00:08:50] Speaker 01: That admission, I would submit, ought to be sufficient to [00:08:56] Speaker 01: to show that the motive to retaliate was present with Ms. [00:09:02] Speaker 01: Wilson and the exact nature of what Ms. [00:09:07] Speaker 01: Rush did about it really isn't important. [00:09:10] Speaker 01: And that's also supported by – I'm sorry. [00:09:14] Speaker 02: What are you referring to that's not important? [00:09:16] Speaker 01: So under the language of the statute, under the Human Rights Act, and also under the line of cases of Abercrombie, District Court decision in Wong, and so on, the issue is what was Ms. [00:09:30] Speaker 01: Wilson's motive in regard to Ms. [00:09:33] Speaker 01: Rush. [00:09:34] Speaker 02: So, for instance, if — [00:09:39] Speaker 02: and she's preparing to act unlawfully, and then the next day discovers that the employee is stealing and instead is fired for stealing. [00:09:49] Speaker 02: What's the difference what the motive was with respect to something that was not the cause for termination? [00:09:54] Speaker 01: I think that's a factual question as to what the individual's motive was. [00:10:00] Speaker 02: Once there's the double badging in this case, once you have somebody who's committed a fireable offense, what's the difference whether someone was preparing to discriminate against them? [00:10:14] Speaker 01: I don't think the record shows Ms. [00:10:17] Speaker 01: Rush as having been fired for double badging, because the decision to fire her, OK, that's your question, Your Honor. [00:10:23] Speaker 01: I don't want to confuse the question. [00:10:27] Speaker 01: The question in an inferential employment discrimination termination is, what was the motive for the firing? [00:10:38] Speaker 02: And then when you have the intervening violation, [00:10:42] Speaker 01: It could be hypothetically that an intervening violation would become the motive. [00:10:47] Speaker 02: Having a valid pending charge is not an excuse for then violating other rules that would otherwise result in termination. [00:10:55] Speaker 01: I agree with that, Your Honor. [00:10:56] Speaker 01: I think that in this case, though, the important facts with Ms. [00:11:00] Speaker 01: Rush are that that [00:11:02] Speaker 01: double badging issue was only even, they went to investigate it only after they'd already decided to fire Ms. [00:11:09] Speaker 01: Rauch, so they were looking for a pretext. [00:11:11] Speaker 02: Well, but is it a pretext if it's an actual violation? [00:11:14] Speaker 02: There's no real, I don't think there's any dispute about the double badging, is there? [00:11:18] Speaker 01: Well, there is, but there is a dispute as to whether other people double badged and went out and had breakfast and came back. [00:11:22] Speaker 01: That's in the record. [00:11:23] Speaker 02: So... Now, how could that possibly affect the out-killing of this guy? [00:11:26] Speaker 02: Why is that material? [00:11:28] Speaker 01: The dis-retreatment? [00:11:31] Speaker 02: So you'd be showing that not only did they do that, but that the person involved here, Wilson, I guess it was Wilson, was aware of it. [00:11:41] Speaker 02: That was allowing other people to engage in the same thing. [00:11:43] Speaker 02: Right, right. [00:11:44] Speaker 02: Any evidence of that? [00:11:46] Speaker 02: Yes, there's evidence in the record that... That Wilson, is it Wilson who did the fighting? [00:11:50] Speaker 01: Wilson and or Meyers, I have to check the record, but... Are they aware of this? [00:11:54] Speaker 01: Yes, I believe they admitted it. [00:11:58] Speaker 01: I understand where your honor is going with that. [00:12:02] Speaker 01: I believe that the ultimate issue is the motive, and that in this case, reasonable jurors could conclude that the motive for firing Ms. [00:12:13] Speaker 01: Rush was the activity that Ms. [00:12:15] Speaker 01: Wilson, in fact, said she was upset about that was protected by Ms. [00:12:21] Speaker 01: Britt and then by Ms. [00:12:22] Speaker 01: Rush. [00:12:23] Speaker 01: I believe my time's been expired, am I right? [00:12:27] Speaker 01: Thank you. [00:12:29] Speaker 01: All right, Mr. Blunder. [00:12:37] Speaker 00: Good morning. [00:12:37] Speaker 00: May it please the court. [00:12:39] Speaker 00: This court should not reverse Judge Sullivan's decision below because the plaintiffs can't dispute that they were on notice of significant performance issues that led to their termination well before the time of their alleged protected conduct. [00:12:55] Speaker 00: So with regard to Ms. [00:12:56] Speaker 00: Rush, she was given a variety of discipline over a period. [00:13:00] Speaker 03: Can I just ask a question about the claims against Rush, which is what's the jurisdictional basis for bringing in the claims against Rush? [00:13:07] Speaker 00: So Ms. [00:13:08] Speaker 00: Rush has filed a Section 1981 claim. [00:13:13] Speaker 00: And nominally, that's still in the case. [00:13:16] Speaker 03: Well, I thought all that was left for her were the DC claims, no? [00:13:20] Speaker 00: She still has a 1981 claim. [00:13:22] Speaker 00: The plaintiff spent, I think, like one page of their brief talking about it. [00:13:25] Speaker 00: I think they've essentially abandoned it. [00:13:27] Speaker 00: But nominally, it's still in the case. [00:13:28] Speaker 00: It's part of their brief. [00:13:29] Speaker 00: It's a race discrimination 1981 claim. [00:13:33] Speaker 00: So the court has jurisdiction over that and then take the independent jurisdiction over the DC human rights claims. [00:13:41] Speaker 03: OK. [00:13:41] Speaker 03: So with regard to the district court, [00:13:45] Speaker 03: grounded jurisdiction over the claims against Rush based on a different theory? [00:13:49] Speaker 00: Correct. [00:13:50] Speaker 00: And that's subsequently been reversed by the Supreme Court. [00:13:53] Speaker 00: But I think both sides in agreement that there is still jurisdiction due to the 1981 claim. [00:14:00] Speaker 00: OK. [00:14:00] Speaker 00: With regard to Ms. [00:14:01] Speaker 00: Rush, she, over a period of five months before there was any alleged protected conduct, she was given verbal counseling regarding her serial violations of Fannie Mae's attendance policy. [00:14:14] Speaker 00: She was given email counseling regarding her violations of the attendance policy. [00:14:18] Speaker 00: She was given a formal memorandum of concern that was placed in her file, and she was given an off-track in her mid-year review. [00:14:25] Speaker 00: All of that was directly related to her attendance and timeliness issues. [00:14:31] Speaker 00: And all of that occurred before the supposed protected conduct. [00:14:35] Speaker 00: The same thing is true with Ms. [00:14:36] Speaker 00: Britt. [00:14:37] Speaker 00: We know that Ms. [00:14:38] Speaker 00: Britt was aware of her significant performance concerns before the supposed protected conduct, and we know that because she told us. [00:14:47] Speaker 00: If you look at the memorandum that she provided to her managers at her mid-year review, she talks about the fact that she was unable to meet their expectations and she describes the fact that she felt the expectations that they had of her were unfair. [00:15:01] Speaker 00: The same is true with the conversation that she had with her previous manager, Ms. [00:15:05] Speaker 00: Trask, on the day before her mid-year review. [00:15:09] Speaker 00: That conversation, which was memorialized by Ms. [00:15:12] Speaker 00: Trask in a contemporaneous email, talks about the fact that Ms. [00:15:17] Speaker 00: Britt didn't care, according to her, what happened during her media review because she felt like she was going to be judged unfairly. [00:15:24] Speaker 00: She talked about the fact that none of the work product that she produced was good enough for her management team, and she talked about the fact that she understood that she was not meeting her manager's expectations. [00:15:36] Speaker 00: As such, under the McDonnell-Douglas test, Fannie Mae has articulated a non-retaliatory basis for determinations. [00:15:43] Speaker 00: So the burden shifts to the plaintiffs to be able to show that they engaged in protected conduct and that the asserted reasons by Fannie Mae were protectual. [00:15:53] Speaker 00: And under the Supreme Court's holding in Nassar, they must prove that the protectual basis was the but-for cause of determinations here. [00:16:03] Speaker 00: And they can do neither of those things. [00:16:05] Speaker 00: There was no protected conduct here. [00:16:08] Speaker 00: A review of the primary document that the plaintiff asserts as protected conduct was a memorandum that Ms. [00:16:15] Speaker 00: Britt provided to her managers at mid-year. [00:16:17] Speaker 00: A review of that document shows that there's nothing in it that talks about discrimination on the basis of religion or Ramadan or her request to change her hours. [00:16:30] Speaker 00: the entire document relates to the performance concerns that had been articulated to her by her management. [00:16:37] Speaker 00: And in fact, Ms. [00:16:37] Speaker 00: Rush testified under oath that the document was intended to be a defense of Ms. [00:16:43] Speaker 00: Brett's performance and that the parties had been working on that document for months before the supposed protected conduct occurred. [00:16:51] Speaker 00: The same thing is true about the conversation with Britt had with Ms. [00:16:54] Speaker 00: Trask. [00:16:55] Speaker 00: The context of that conversation was a defense of Britt's performance. [00:17:00] Speaker 00: The first 15 items in the summary that Ms. [00:17:04] Speaker 00: Trask drafted the conversation all relate to Britt's articulated concerns with the performance expectations that had been placed upon her. [00:17:14] Speaker 00: Now, in addition to the fact that the plaintiffs didn't engage in any protected conduct, [00:17:19] Speaker 00: The plaintiffs have not shown a shred of evidence to indicate that they fixed the problems that had been identified to them prior to the supposed protected conduct. [00:17:31] Speaker 00: So Ms. [00:17:32] Speaker 00: Rush had been coming in late to work, serially violating Fannie Mae's attendance policies. [00:17:38] Speaker 00: That continued after the protected conduct. [00:17:41] Speaker 00: Ms. [00:17:41] Speaker 00: Britt had serious performance concerns that had been identified to her by her management. [00:17:46] Speaker 00: Those performance concerns continued after the protected conduct. [00:17:50] Speaker 00: The plaintiffs cannot point to a single disputed fact to indicate that the pre-existing problems had been fixed, and therefore they can't show that the terminations were pretextual. [00:18:04] Speaker 00: The fact is, Miss Wilson didn't have any qualms with Miss Britt's request to change her hours for Ramadan. [00:18:12] Speaker 00: In fact, the undisputed facts show the contrary is true. [00:18:16] Speaker 00: When Britt asked Miss Wilson to change her hours, Britt testified that Wilson's immediate response was, that would be no problem. [00:18:25] Speaker 00: And then when Wilson learned that Britt needed to go through Fannie Mae's reasonable accommodation request process, [00:18:32] Speaker 00: The documentation that Ms. [00:18:35] Speaker 00: Britt submitted to Fannie Mae's religious accommodations coordinator showed that the basis for that request was for her own personal convenience, and so the accommodation was turned down. [00:18:45] Speaker 00: What Ms. [00:18:45] Speaker 00: Wilson did when she learned the accommodation was turned down was reach out on her own initiative [00:18:51] Speaker 00: to her HR business partner, Ms. [00:18:53] Speaker 00: Gaither, and Fannie Mae's reasonable accommodations coordinator, and asked, did she have the ability, as using her managerial discretion, to change Ms. [00:19:03] Speaker 00: Britt's hours, even though the accommodation had been turned down by HR? [00:19:09] Speaker 00: And Ms. [00:19:10] Speaker 00: Gaither's response was, I don't think you should change her hours, because of the pre-existing performance concerns, and because of an attendance issue that Ms. [00:19:19] Speaker 00: Britt had had. [00:19:21] Speaker 00: Ms. [00:19:21] Speaker 00: Wilson overruled her HR business partner's advice. [00:19:24] Speaker 00: And all of this is that the request by Ms. [00:19:27] Speaker 00: Wilson is documented in an email. [00:19:29] Speaker 00: Ms. [00:19:30] Speaker 00: Wilson overruled her HR partner's advice and did permit Ms. [00:19:33] Speaker 00: Britt to change her hours. [00:19:36] Speaker 00: And Ms. [00:19:36] Speaker 00: Gaither, her HR representative, told her, if you are going to ask her to change her hours, you should make sure you know when she's coming in and when she's leaving for the day, because she's going to be arriving well before you do. [00:19:49] Speaker 00: So Mr. Goldsmith talked about the critical importance of the requirement that Ms. [00:19:56] Speaker 00: Britt check in. [00:19:57] Speaker 00: But that check-in requirement was implemented by Ms. [00:20:00] Speaker 00: Wilson not as a retaliatory gesture because she was angry about a request for religious accommodation. [00:20:08] Speaker 00: The check-in was based upon the suggestion of her HR representative that if she was going to allow Britt to come in significantly earlier than Wilson arrived, she should know when she was arriving and when she was leaving. [00:20:23] Speaker 00: The fact is, Wilson wasn't concerned about the accommodation request. [00:20:28] Speaker 00: Wilson was concerned about BRIT's serious performance deficiencies. [00:20:32] Speaker 00: And the reason is that these performance deficiencies went to the heart of the job that BRIT was doing. [00:20:39] Speaker 00: Wilson was put in place. [00:20:41] Speaker 00: She has an auditing background. [00:20:42] Speaker 00: She was put in place because her management team wanted to implement a rigorous compliance background. [00:20:49] Speaker 00: And the tasks that are undisputed that Miss Britt was so significantly deficient at that they needed to be taken away from her and given to other people on the team. [00:21:00] Speaker 00: These tasks were not extra tasks as the plaintiff derisively characterized them in their brief. [00:21:07] Speaker 00: These were tasks that went to the core of Ms. [00:21:09] Speaker 00: Britt's job because they related to mitigating the risks inherent in safeguarding Fannie Mae's documents, which Britt had responsibility for because she managed Fannie Mae's offsite storage program, where documents were shifted between Fannie Mae's physical locations and offsite storage. [00:21:28] Speaker 00: So those were the concerns that Ms. [00:21:31] Speaker 00: Wilson had, not about the accommodation requests, but about the performance deficiencies. [00:21:36] Speaker 00: And with regard to Ms. [00:21:37] Speaker 00: Rush, her claim was untimely. [00:21:40] Speaker 00: The claim that she filed with the DC Office of Human Resources related to a race retaliation claim that supposedly happened by Ms. [00:21:50] Speaker 00: Myers, not Ms. [00:21:51] Speaker 00: Wilson. [00:21:52] Speaker 00: And it was the protected activity supposedly occurred in May. [00:21:58] Speaker 00: And this is laid out. [00:21:59] Speaker 00: It's in the charge C file. [00:22:00] Speaker 00: It's on Joint Appendix 1947. [00:22:03] Speaker 00: You'll see this very detailed as to what the retaliation claim they're talking about is. [00:22:08] Speaker 00: It's not just a different actor. [00:22:10] Speaker 00: It's not just a different basis for the retaliation. [00:22:13] Speaker 00: It's a different complaint that occurred in May, not in July. [00:22:17] Speaker 00: So that claim is untimely. [00:22:19] Speaker 00: Ms. [00:22:20] Speaker 00: Rush did continue to seriously, serially violate Fannie Mae's attendance policies. [00:22:26] Speaker 00: As Judge Bigler noted, Fannie Mae learned that she was fraudulently gaming their badging system prior to her being terminated. [00:22:35] Speaker 00: All of those reasons justified her termination and were not pretextual. [00:22:40] Speaker 00: And on that basis, Judge Sullivan's decision should be upheld. [00:22:43] Speaker 00: Thank you very much. [00:22:44] Speaker 01: Thank you. [00:22:45] Speaker 01: Does Mr. Goldsmith have any time? [00:22:47] Speaker 01: All right, why don't you take a minute? [00:22:52] Speaker 01: Thank you, your honor. [00:22:59] Speaker 01: I think in response to what Mr. Blonder is saying and to Judge Ginsburg's earlier question, one of the things that distinguishes both the cases of Ms. [00:23:08] Speaker 01: Britt and Ms. [00:23:09] Speaker 01: Rush is the powerful timing evidence that notwithstanding difficulties in the job, they gave Ms. [00:23:17] Speaker 01: Britt new duties, they took the duties away, they gave both Ms. [00:23:21] Speaker 01: Britt and Ms. [00:23:22] Speaker 01: Rush performance appraisals. [00:23:24] Speaker 01: And in Ms. [00:23:25] Speaker 01: Britt's case in particular, [00:23:27] Speaker 01: that she was performing the very same items that they now say warranted her firing in a fully successful manner. [00:23:37] Speaker 01: And then the next day they admit, as shown in the record, that they started thinking about firing Ms. [00:23:41] Speaker 01: Britt anyway. [00:23:50] Speaker 01: It's important to note that the, as Mr. Blonder said, that he talked about the first 15 steps in the Trask memo. [00:23:59] Speaker 01: It's important to note that the items that Ms. [00:24:01] Speaker 01: Trask writes about her conversation with Ms. [00:24:05] Speaker 01: Britt after those relate to the Ramadan dispute. [00:24:10] Speaker 01: It's also important to note that the statute [00:24:17] Speaker 01: Human Rights Act does not distinguish race retaliation from religious retaliation. [00:24:21] Speaker 01: There are a number of types of conduct that are made unlawful by the statute, such as race discrimination, sex discrimination, et cetera. [00:24:29] Speaker 01: And then retaliation is forbidden. [00:24:32] Speaker 01: And I'd also like to note, in response to something that Mr. Blonder said, that [00:24:39] Speaker 01: As far as what the standard is that this court is to apply, as I understand it, is a de novo review of a summary judgment decision. [00:24:47] Speaker 01: And the standard for summary judgment is whether a reasonable jury could find that the elements of a claim of employment retaliation were met. [00:24:58] Speaker 01: including the pretext element. [00:25:00] Speaker 01: And there is nothing more at this stage of the proceeding that this court needs to consider. [00:25:08] Speaker 01: There isn't an elevated standard that the Nassar case creates for a summary judgment proceeding. [00:25:16] Speaker 01: Mr. Goldsmith, we have your argument. [00:25:18] Speaker 01: Thank you so much. [00:25:19] Speaker 01: I appreciate the court's time.