[00:00:01] Speaker 00: Case number 15-7082 at L. Raheel A. Demisci, Appellant vs. Starbucks Corporate Office and Headquarters. [00:00:08] Speaker 00: Ms. [00:00:08] Speaker 00: Jackson for the Appellant, Mr. Tice for the Appellee. [00:00:39] Speaker 03: Jackson. [00:01:03] Speaker 00: Good morning, may it please the court? [00:01:05] Speaker 00: My name is Lauren Jackson, student counsel from Howard University School of Law, Silver Whites Clinic, as well as the court appointed Amicus Curay on behalf of appellant Rahel Demisi. [00:01:16] Speaker 00: This case implicates a longstanding principle of contract law. [00:01:20] Speaker 00: Where there is no meeting of the minds, there is no contract. [00:01:24] Speaker 00: And for your honest attention, I have reserved three requested permissions to reserve three minutes for rebuttal. [00:01:32] Speaker 00: This court should reverse the district court's decision because the district court aired an ordering that there was an enforceable contract, an enforceable settlement agreement where there was no clear evidence of a meeting of the minds as to the material terms. [00:01:48] Speaker 00: Your honors, the key piece of evidence in this case is that in its Starbucks own admission on November 14th, 2014, an email sent eight days after the November 6th settlement conference [00:02:01] Speaker 00: their Starbucks Council admits that there was no clarity as to whether or not the characterization of the settlement agreement would be issued entirely as civil rights damages or as back pay. [00:02:13] Speaker 02: Can we back up for a second to November 6th? [00:02:16] Speaker 02: At the settlement agreement, at the settlement conference, I'm trying to understand what was the state of the mind of the actors, the people in that room, at the moment that the handshake took place. [00:02:31] Speaker 02: Now, at the moment the handshake took place, had they discussed [00:02:36] Speaker 02: had your client's counsel raised the issue of tax treatment? [00:02:42] Speaker 02: At the moment, the handshake took place. [00:02:44] Speaker 00: At the moment, the handshake took place, Judge Griffith. [00:02:46] Speaker 00: There was no discussion on the record that a tax allocation took place. [00:02:51] Speaker 02: But we do have, at that moment, the magistrate judge's law clerk said, we have a deal, right? [00:03:00] Speaker 00: Yes, Your Honor, that was testified to. [00:03:01] Speaker 02: And prior to that time, the nature of the negotiations were that the only issue that was really unresolved was the amount of the settlement, right? [00:03:12] Speaker 00: Prior to the November 6th settlement agreement, there was a discussion as to her workers' compensation claim. [00:03:18] Speaker 00: as well as the nature of the settlement. [00:03:21] Speaker 00: And we also assert that the law clerk's statement that there was a deal did have a huge impact on whether or not both parties determined whether a settlement agreement [00:03:33] Speaker 00: was in fact occurred because at this moment of the handshake, Zameese's counsel at the time merely interpret that to be thank you to the opposing counsel for being flexible, not necessarily that there was a deal in place. [00:03:48] Speaker 00: Now, Starbucks counsel at the time may have taken that to mean that there was a deal, but from our client's counsel's testimony that he didn't interpret that there was to be a deal. [00:04:00] Speaker 00: And again, the key issue in this case is that there was no meeting of the minds as to the characterization of the settlement agreement and because the manner in which it would be characterized was indeed material to Demise's account. [00:04:13] Speaker 02: What's the dollar difference between treating it as damages versus treating it as back pay? [00:04:22] Speaker 02: What's the dollar difference for your client? [00:04:25] Speaker 00: Your Honor, under the District Court's review, the amount in terms of settlement amount was not discussed for the District Court to review, as it was not in evidence. [00:04:35] Speaker 00: According to opposing counsel, the amount that would be issued as back wages would have a $73 amount. [00:04:42] Speaker 00: Again, because it was not in evidence for the District Court to review in terms of amount, it was not in our evidence to review. [00:04:48] Speaker 02: Well, let's imagine we could look at it. [00:04:51] Speaker 02: $73 out of a $10,000 settlement [00:04:53] Speaker 02: I mean, I would like to have $73. [00:04:56] Speaker 02: There are a lot of things I could do with $73, but I wouldn't exactly think that's a material term of the settlement at a speed over $73. [00:05:04] Speaker 00: Yes, Judge Griffith. [00:05:05] Speaker 00: Well, looking at the totality of the circumstances, it was symbolic that this settlement amount be characterized as civil rights damages for Demetri, for Starbucks to acknowledge that it was indeed liable for the national origin claim that was present, as well as [00:05:25] Speaker 00: The viable right retaliation claim as stated by Mr. Meese's counsel during the time of negotiations. [00:05:32] Speaker 00: So to characterize any part of that as back wages would have been improper because that was not what Mr. Meese's counsel at the time [00:05:40] Speaker 00: said it was the spirit that her client wanted, that his client wanted. [00:05:44] Speaker 00: It was to be characterized entirely as civil rights damages for Starbucks to acknowledge their liability considering that back page, back wage liability was not even an issue as also admitted by Starbucks at that time. [00:06:01] Speaker 00: Now, an agreement exists where all material terms and the intentions of the parties to be bound are present. [00:06:08] Speaker 00: And going back to the original points in this, looking at Starbucks' council's email on November 14th and stating, and I quote, I was agreeing just to look into whether or not it would be 1099. [00:06:21] Speaker 00: I'm sorry if that wasn't clear. [00:06:23] Speaker 00: to which Demise's counsel at the time stated, we do have a very viable retaliation claim that carries damages that have nothing to do with back pay. [00:06:34] Speaker 00: This goes directly to the point that characterization of this as civil rights damages was material as her counsel also stated that this was a material term that the entire payment be 1099 to which Starbucks counsel agreed. [00:06:50] Speaker 00: So now this change of heart after the November 6th settlement shows that there was clearly not a meeting of the minds that both parties could agree to. [00:06:58] Speaker 00: And moving ahead, Starbucks also states that this issue was a change of heart after [00:07:09] Speaker 00: This is entirely not true as the impact that this case would have on her workers compensation claim was material from the onset out from the outset of the litigation. [00:07:24] Speaker 00: As you can see evidence in the record. [00:07:26] Speaker 00: After the second settlement conference between the parties, there was a pause in the record so that there can be a discussion with Demucy's Worker's Compensation Attorney to determine any settlement agreement in this case, would it have a negative impact on that case. [00:07:44] Speaker 00: The voluntary resolution. [00:07:45] Speaker 04: The district court's finding, though, that the refusal stemmed from after the post-hoc [00:07:54] Speaker 04: that was going to affect her compensation claim. [00:07:57] Speaker 04: That's a finding of fact, right? [00:07:59] Speaker 00: Right. [00:07:59] Speaker 00: And it is my assertion that that finding of fact is where the district court aired. [00:08:03] Speaker 04: So it has to be clearly erroneous. [00:08:05] Speaker 00: Correct, Your Honor. [00:08:06] Speaker 00: So it would have to be clearly erroneous, and that is one area that the district court's finding did air because, again, I stated [00:08:14] Speaker 00: Throughout the entire settlement conferences, the workers' compensation claim was always brought up as a material issue. [00:08:21] Speaker 00: Any manner in which Tameesi would either have to voluntarily resign or be terminated would have a significant impact in that concurrent litigation. [00:08:30] Speaker 00: So asking her to voluntarily resign [00:08:32] Speaker 00: would prevent that workers' compensation claim from moving forward, as she would not be entitled to any particular employee benefits. [00:08:42] Speaker 04: Was the tax allocation issue raised before the November 6th mediation? [00:08:47] Speaker 00: On the record, the tax allocation was not raised prior to the November 6th. [00:08:53] Speaker 04: If the November 6th mediation, the handshake and everything, is determined to be the contract, [00:09:02] Speaker 04: tax allocation wouldn't have been part of it. [00:09:05] Speaker 00: Well, it was testified by Denise's counsel that it is normal practice that the tax allocation could be one of the very last terms to be discussed as it was in this particular case. [00:09:17] Speaker 00: Denise's counsel testified that during their November 6th settlement conversation, tax allocation and having this be issued solely as civil rights damages was a material term as we stated in the November 14th settlement. [00:09:30] Speaker 04: But it wasn't discussed with the other side before November 6th. [00:09:33] Speaker 00: Your Honor, in the record, it states by Demise's counsel in the email that it was discussed. [00:09:40] Speaker 00: Again, in terms of the exact language of the conference itself, the exact transcript of the conference, we do not have any testimony at the evidentiary hearing that it was discussed during that particular settlement conference, no. [00:09:55] Speaker 00: But even before getting to the tax allocation issue, again, we want to assert that there was no meaning of the mines because the conduct that happened immediately after the November 6th settlement conference shows that parties were not in agreement on how this agreement should be drafted or characterized initially. [00:10:16] Speaker 00: So that confusion or that lack of clarity amongst the parties [00:10:21] Speaker 02: clearly shows that prior to even discussing... Of course, your opponent says that the nature of the disagreement was sort of fine-tuning of the details, working out how to achieve the deal that had been struck on November 6. [00:10:35] Speaker 02: What's your response to that characterization? [00:10:38] Speaker 00: My response, Judge Griffith, would be that working out the details [00:10:43] Speaker 02: the characterization of that settlement amount is a major detail that should be considered when trying to... The major detail is $73 value, but you're now saying what was really at stake was there was some symbolic, some symbolic value. [00:10:59] Speaker 02: Was that in your brief, the argument that there was a symbolic value to this as well? [00:11:04] Speaker 02: I don't recall seeing that. [00:11:05] Speaker 02: I recall seeing dispute over dollar amounts, but I don't remember the symbolic value argument. [00:11:10] Speaker 00: Right. [00:11:11] Speaker 00: And that discussion was in terms of making sure that the settlement agreement amount would be characterized as 1099. [00:11:19] Speaker 00: It being symbolic was just a part of that particular discussion that the characterization was important to Demecee and Council at the time. [00:11:28] Speaker 02: I don't want to get too nitpicky. [00:11:30] Speaker 02: Did the word symbolic appear in the brief? [00:11:33] Speaker 00: No, yeah, the word symbolic did not appear in the brief, yes. [00:11:37] Speaker 00: Again, this [00:11:38] Speaker 00: Clearly, before even getting to the tax allocation discussion, we just must deal, this court has a chance to deal with the fact that there was no meeting of the minds between the parties. [00:11:48] Speaker 00: Starbucks' own admission that there was a lack of clarity as to the characterization of the settlement amount is demonstrative of that. [00:11:57] Speaker 00: And I see my time has run. [00:11:58] Speaker 00: So may I briefly conclude? [00:12:00] Speaker 00: And for this reason, we ask that this court reverse and remand this case to the district court. [00:12:05] Speaker 03: Thank you. [00:12:16] Speaker 01: Good morning, and may it please the Court. [00:12:18] Speaker 01: I'd like to focus first with the question Judge Griffith just asked with regard to whether or not there was a symbolic demand from Miss Demacy regarding whether or not Starbucks would somehow admit or acknowledge that these wages would be allocated for symbolic reasons. [00:12:36] Speaker 01: That's not reflected in the record, Your Honor. [00:12:38] Speaker 01: This was a tax allocation issue. [00:12:41] Speaker 01: In fact, one of the settlement terms was that the settlement was going to be confidential, so there was going to be no admission of liability on either side, so I don't think it's accurate to say. [00:12:49] Speaker 04: Speaking of things in the record, is the $73 consequences of the tax in the record? [00:12:56] Speaker 01: It is, Your Honor. [00:12:56] Speaker 01: It's on page GA 170. [00:12:59] Speaker 01: is the factual finding by the district court that approximately $73 was at stake in this matter. [00:13:06] Speaker 01: And I think the court is right to look, to focus on what happened at November 6th, as we've discussed, because that's when we allege and the district court found that the agreement was actually reached at the time of that settlement, at the handshake at the settlement. [00:13:20] Speaker 01: And the district court, in fact, held an evidentiary hearing on that matter, and it held that the parties entered into a binding and enforceable settlement agreement on November 6th. [00:13:28] Speaker 01: not at some time after, based on two underlying factual findings that this court reduced for clear error. [00:13:34] Speaker 01: First, that the parties had agreed on all the material terms, and second, that the parties who were both represented by counsel at that time were intended to be bound by the agreement they reached that day. [00:13:44] Speaker 01: And the district court found that the facts weighed heavily in favor of Starbucks position, and that conclusion was correct, as was its conclusion that there was no evidence that the party, after the party shook hands, [00:13:55] Speaker 01: at the November mediation that either party regarded the agreement as incomplete. [00:13:58] Speaker 01: And again, we think that's kind of the key factual finding. [00:14:01] Speaker 02: Are we placing too much emphasis on the shaking of hands? [00:14:03] Speaker 02: I mean, friendly people shake hands at conclusions of meetings. [00:14:07] Speaker 01: Of course, Your Honor. [00:14:08] Speaker 01: But I think it's important to look at that handshake in the context of the entire settlement negotiation. [00:14:13] Speaker 01: This was not a one-off meeting, casual mediation. [00:14:17] Speaker 01: This was the fourth. [00:14:18] Speaker 02: Did anyone besides the magistrate judge's representative say, deal? [00:14:23] Speaker 01: No, the testimony was that the clerk, law clerk, came back in. [00:14:27] Speaker 01: But I think this context is important, Your Honor, as well, because what happened actually was that the parties, when they first arrived that day, the clerk, the parties recounted for the clerk all the terms that Starbucks had insisted on to that date and told him that the outstanding issue was the settlement amount. [00:14:42] Speaker 01: So the parties went back and forth negotiating those terms all day long. [00:14:48] Speaker 01: And then finally, at the conclusion, Starbucks proposed a number. [00:14:52] Speaker 01: The law clerk went into the other room to meet with Demacy's counsel. [00:14:56] Speaker 01: All three of them, the clerk, Demacy, and her counsel, returned to the room. [00:15:00] Speaker 01: And at that time, the clerk said, we have a deal. [00:15:02] Speaker 01: And everyone shook hands at that point. [00:15:04] Speaker 01: So at that point, all Starbucks terms were well known to the parties. [00:15:07] Speaker 01: They were on the table. [00:15:08] Speaker 01: The outstanding issue was the money. [00:15:10] Speaker 01: The party shook hands on that. [00:15:11] Speaker 01: And it was only at that point that the parties then discussed the outstanding, we feel essentially, administrative matters, taking discovery off the calendar. [00:15:20] Speaker 01: discussing the tax allocation, discussing how the attorney's fees would get paid out of the settlement. [00:15:25] Speaker 01: And there was additional, I can't remember what the other thing is as well, but again, it was essentially kind of, oh yeah, which party would memorialize the settlement terms, and Starbucks Council agreed to do that. [00:15:37] Speaker 01: We think another key finding, Your Honor, is that the district court actually found that the true bone of contention between the parties was not this tax allocation issue, and we think that's important as well. [00:15:46] Speaker 01: It was actually, as Miss Demacy's counsel acknowledged in several briefs below, she had actually learned after the settlement [00:15:55] Speaker 01: had been reached that resigning would jeopardize her pending workers' compensation claim. [00:16:01] Speaker 01: And Starbucks had agreed all along, and it was one of the terms, that she would have to release all of her claims except for the workers' compensation claims. [00:16:07] Speaker 01: There's no dispute that Starbucks was willing to allow her workers' compensation claim to go forward. [00:16:11] Speaker 01: it was something she learned afterward, which she never told Starbucks, that actually resigning was also going to be problematic for her claim. [00:16:17] Speaker 01: But again, that was not, she didn't tell Starbucks about it, and in fact, according to her briefs below, did not even learn of that until after the November 6th mediation. [00:16:28] Speaker 01: To quickly recap a few pieces of evidence that the district court relied on, in terms of materiality, again, the court focused and said that there was no dispute as to Starbucks' terms, and regarding the tax allocation, again, it was not discussed until after the handshake, [00:16:41] Speaker 01: It was essentially ministerial, the way the payment was going to be made, and to some extent dictated by federal law. [00:16:48] Speaker 01: The parties did not have unlimited discretion on this. [00:16:50] Speaker 01: It was a small amount of money, and again, it was a factual finding on that point. [00:16:54] Speaker 01: And then finally, that true bone of contention. [00:16:57] Speaker 01: And the district court acknowledged that in certain circumstances, certainly, tax allocation could be a material term, but the question is what these parties deem to be a material term, and the fact that Demacy's council accepted, Demacy and her council accepted the settlement amount without ever discussing tax allocation suggested that it was not material here. [00:17:14] Speaker 01: With regard to intent, the court looked to the entire context. [00:17:18] Speaker 01: It looked to the fact that there were four mediation sessions. [00:17:20] Speaker 01: It looked to the fact that prior to the mediation, Dempsey's counsel actually offered to accept all of Starbucks's terms, including voluntary resignation, if they could agree on a settlement amount, which they did at the mediation. [00:17:32] Speaker 01: The we have a deal, the shake hands, which again, I don't want to place too much emphasis on, but I think it's relevant in terms of the overall context. [00:17:38] Speaker 01: And the fact that the party stayed litigation and [00:17:40] Speaker 01: discussing sort of administrative matters after that I think is really crucial. [00:17:45] Speaker 01: If the court has any further questions, I'd be happy to answer them. [00:17:49] Speaker 01: Otherwise, we ask that the court affirm and order enforcement of the settlement agreement. [00:17:57] Speaker 01: Thank you. [00:17:58] Speaker 01: Thank you very much. [00:18:01] Speaker 03: Does the plaintiff have any more time? [00:18:03] Speaker 03: We'll give you another two minutes. [00:18:10] Speaker 00: Your Honor, just to reiterate, the totality of the circumstances, the district court did not take that into consideration. [00:18:18] Speaker 00: Now, on the record, it should also be noted that after the email communication following the November 6th settlement amount, counsel for Denisi stated that they would put depositions back on the table because there was no agreement between the parties as to the manner in which the settlement amount should be characterized. [00:18:38] Speaker 00: So the email itself, again, as I quote from the email, the basis for their statement and mediation was that a material term be that the entire payment is 1099, to which Starbucks council agreed. [00:18:50] Speaker 00: So this has been material since the outset of, again, litigation. [00:18:54] Speaker 00: It was not something that came up merely after party shook hands in the November 6 settlement conference. [00:19:03] Speaker 00: And also Starbucks stated in that email in response was, sorry if I was not clear. [00:19:09] Speaker 00: So for that, for Starbucks stating that that was their own admission, that this was something that was indeed discussed between the parties prior to any drafting or memorialization of a settlement agreement. [00:19:21] Speaker 00: This was something that was discussed between the parties and it was made known to Starbucks that this material term of how this would be characterized was indeed material. [00:19:30] Speaker 00: And again, looking to just the totality of the circumstances here, how the settlement agreement would characterize any voluntary resignation terms or any workers' compensation comes was not a change of heart matter. [00:19:45] Speaker 00: It was something that was important since the beginning of the settlement conferences between councils. [00:19:52] Speaker 04: What did you say to the point made by opposing counsel that she didn't learn that resigning [00:20:00] Speaker 04: heard her workers compensation claim until after the meeting. [00:20:05] Speaker 00: To your honor and on the record again learning about how it would hurt her this was something that was material and allowed the parties to take a break so that she can discuss with her workers compensation. [00:20:17] Speaker 04: It did not occur until after [00:20:19] Speaker 04: She had conversations with her counsel on how it would resign, assuming how it was characterized during that November 6th and learning whatever... He says, I don't have enough of a recollection about the record that counsel below said that she didn't learn until after the November, I think, 7th meeting. [00:20:40] Speaker 00: November 6th meeting? [00:20:41] Speaker 04: November 6th meeting. [00:20:42] Speaker 04: Again, that would not be factually correct as she was aware because her worker... When you say it wouldn't be factually correct, you mean that the counsel was wrong when counsel said that or that the counsel never said that? [00:20:55] Speaker 00: that the council never said that she learned that would be factually incorrect, because again, there was conversations with her workers' compensation attorney who was separate from this litigation that any settlement agreement that would be produced after this discussion between councils cannot have an effect on her workers' compensation claim. [00:21:15] Speaker 00: So the idea of her voluntary resigning versus termination obviously would have a huge impact on her workers' compensation claim. [00:21:24] Speaker 00: Thank you, Your Honors. [00:21:25] Speaker 04: Miss Jackson, you were appointed by the court as amicus in this case and we're grateful for your assistance. [00:21:31] Speaker 00: Thank you.