[00:00:00] Speaker 01: Case number 21-7133, Eugene Hudson Jr. [00:00:05] Speaker 01: versus American Federation of Government Employees at Balance. [00:00:09] Speaker 01: Mr. Roth for the at balance, Ms. [00:00:11] Speaker 01: Morgan for the at belief. [00:00:22] Speaker 04: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen of the court. [00:00:24] Speaker 04: I'm Andy Roth on behalf of the defendant appellant AFGI. [00:00:27] Speaker 04: Actually raises two separate grounds for reversal of the decision below denying judgment as a matter of law, or JMOL, if I may refer to it as that. [00:00:39] Speaker 04: The first ground is that there was insufficient evidence at trial to support a finding of liability on the issue of race discrimination. [00:00:48] Speaker 04: And the second issue is that even assuming that there was sufficient evidence on the liability point, [00:00:53] Speaker 04: there was insufficient evidence to support any award of emotional distress damages. [00:00:59] Speaker 04: On the first issue, on liability, it is common ground that plaintiff proceeded in this case on what this court referred to in the Ponsky-Billington case as the single motive or pretext theory of discrimination. [00:01:16] Speaker 04: And therefore, plaintiff's burden was to show [00:01:23] Speaker 04: that theory that the single motive, the motive for these two employment actions that were challenged was discrimination, not something other than discrimination. [00:01:37] Speaker 04: The court has put it in a lot of different ways, but the real reason, the true reason was race discrimination. [00:01:46] Speaker 04: But on the first issue, after you should prevail under the straightforward application of the carpenter case, because plaintiff conceded away his theory of the case, that it was. [00:02:04] Speaker 04: That wasn't a mixed motive case. [00:02:06] Speaker 04: It was not a mixed motive case. [00:02:08] Speaker 04: Hanski Billington also makes clear that if the plaintiff wants a mixed motive instruction at trial, they have to ask for it. [00:02:16] Speaker 04: The court proposed an instruction which was consistent with the theory of the case, but for instruction, was this because of race discrimination? [00:02:26] Speaker 04: There was no objection from the plaintiff to that instruction. [00:02:28] Speaker 04: So that was under the court's instruction in the case, the jury could only find race discrimination. [00:02:33] Speaker 04: The court didn't say solely. [00:02:36] Speaker 04: I'm sorry? [00:02:37] Speaker 04: The instruction didn't say solely. [00:02:39] Speaker 04: It didn't say solely. [00:02:39] Speaker 04: In fact, in the Ponce v. Billington case, the court made very clear that it was disclaiming any [00:02:45] Speaker 04: any any tests. [00:02:48] Speaker 05: So let's suppose the evidence showed that there were two reasons why. [00:02:53] Speaker 05: And one of them was racial. [00:02:58] Speaker 04: Yeah, I think [00:03:00] Speaker 04: I mean, I don't know what the result would be, Your Honor, if the evidence was an equipoise on that point. [00:03:06] Speaker 05: I think you'd have to show it. [00:03:08] Speaker 04: I think it would probably be a defense verdict. [00:03:12] Speaker 05: Does Title VII permit an employer to be just a little bit discriminatory? [00:03:19] Speaker 04: It does not permit it, no. [00:03:20] Speaker 04: And if race enters into it, you can proceed on a mixed motive theory and then switch the burden to the defendant to then prove that it would have taken the same action [00:03:30] Speaker 04: So you're essentially shifting around the burden of proof on butthole causation. [00:03:34] Speaker 04: But the plaintiff didn't proceed that way. [00:03:36] Speaker 04: He proceeded on the single-motor theory. [00:03:39] Speaker 04: And he conceded his case away. [00:03:42] Speaker 03: I'm a little confused, though. [00:03:44] Speaker 03: You're not challenging the jury instructions that were given? [00:03:47] Speaker 04: No, we're not challenging the jury instruction as well. [00:03:50] Speaker 04: The jury instruction was accurate and set the burden at butthole causation. [00:03:57] Speaker 04: This action was taken because of race. [00:04:00] Speaker 04: And our argument is that under that instruction, under the plaintiff's theory of the case, the verdict cannot be sustained because there was no proof. [00:04:09] Speaker 04: In fact, there was a concession against interest that it was not for reasons of race. [00:04:15] Speaker 04: He testified in his deposition. [00:04:18] Speaker 03: But he explained his deposition testimony at trial. [00:04:24] Speaker 03: right? [00:04:25] Speaker 03: So it can't be the case, especially when we're taking the evidence in the light, most favorable kind of the verdict that we cherry pick the deposition and ignore his testimony and trial. [00:04:39] Speaker 03: Oh, that's exactly right. [00:04:41] Speaker 04: We are not cherry picking the deposition. [00:04:43] Speaker 04: Um, [00:04:43] Speaker 04: And he didn't explain, I mean, I think it's not really accurate to say he explained it. [00:04:48] Speaker 04: He didn't disavow it. [00:04:49] Speaker 04: He didn't say you were twisting our words. [00:04:51] Speaker 04: He didn't say you were cherry picking. [00:04:53] Speaker 04: He did not say you're leaving something out. [00:04:57] Speaker 04: None of those things. [00:04:58] Speaker 03: He said I didn't give a complete answer. [00:05:01] Speaker 04: He said I did not give a complete answer. [00:05:05] Speaker 04: He said, I didn't give a complete answer. [00:05:07] Speaker 04: He acknowledged that it was what he said of the deposition. [00:05:11] Speaker 04: So he embraced the deposition testimony. [00:05:13] Speaker 04: He didn't try to walk away from it. [00:05:15] Speaker 04: But he said there was an additional reason. [00:05:18] Speaker 04: And the additional reason was race. [00:05:20] Speaker 04: That's where his case falls down. [00:05:22] Speaker 04: I mean, if he had proceeded on a mixed motive theory, he might have had something. [00:05:28] Speaker 04: uh we think the evidence was weak uh and you can't obviously just say i think it was because of race you have to put on a case for that but assuming you put on a sufficient case that a jury could drew the conclusion draw the conclusion that race did enter into it he still loses because his burden under the instruction and under the law it was the jury was properly instructed he had to prove that race was the true reason the real reason how do we know the jury didn't credit the other reason [00:05:58] Speaker 03: the jury could have credited the race reason and didn't not credit the other reason. [00:06:04] Speaker 04: Well, I don't, I don't, I don't think it's a credibility issue. [00:06:08] Speaker 03: I mean, when the plaintiff makes a concession against in the, in the Scott case and in a jury trial, we don't know what evidence the jury is going to credit or not credit, believe, not believe. [00:06:22] Speaker 03: Right. [00:06:22] Speaker 03: I mean, the plaintiff can say, [00:06:27] Speaker 03: There were 20 different reasons why they took this action and list them all out. [00:06:32] Speaker 03: It doesn't mean that the jury is going to believe all 20. [00:06:37] Speaker 03: The jury might believe just one of them, right? [00:06:42] Speaker 04: Well, let me answer it this way. [00:06:46] Speaker 04: I mean, I think it's sort of a remarkable proposition to say the jury could have discredited the plaintiff's own concession against interest. [00:06:54] Speaker 04: In the Scott case that we [00:06:56] Speaker 04: talked about in our reply brief, court granted reverse the denial of JML and ordered the JML be granted because it said the plaintiff had conceded away their case. [00:07:05] Speaker 04: I don't think a jury can just sort of ignore or discredit. [00:07:10] Speaker 04: I mean, it could certainly discredit the defense explanation, but it seems like an oddity. [00:07:15] Speaker 03: But even if you ask the jury below to discredit both explanations. [00:07:21] Speaker 03: No. [00:07:23] Speaker 03: Oh, you your client conceded below that race was a reason. [00:07:29] Speaker 04: Or do you have that politics was a reason? [00:07:31] Speaker 04: I mean, you have to differentiate between our client and the former president who was accused of the wrongdoing cops. [00:07:39] Speaker 04: He gave testimony. [00:07:42] Speaker 04: Our client's position is they have the burden of proof. [00:07:45] Speaker 04: So we didn't we didn't take a position on whether his [00:07:50] Speaker 04: the plaintiff's argument that Cox was dissembling to cover up the political purpose. [00:07:55] Speaker 04: We didn't take issue with that, no. [00:07:57] Speaker 04: We didn't concede that it was right. [00:07:59] Speaker 04: All I'm saying is, it's hard to just, neither party challenged the credibility of that testimony. [00:08:07] Speaker 04: And so I think it's to uphold the jury verdict on the ground that the jury could have ignored a fatal concession by the plaintiff. [00:08:16] Speaker 04: I don't know the case. [00:08:19] Speaker 04: that would that would support that proposition but even even if they didn't fully buy into that he still loses because his by his own case was that and it was an 11th hour thing i didn't say this in my deposition excuse me [00:08:40] Speaker 04: So I'm going to say it wasn't a complete answer. [00:08:44] Speaker 04: I'm going to concede. [00:08:45] Speaker 04: I don't know how a jury can discredit the subsequent concession. [00:08:49] Speaker 04: Yes, what I said in the deposition was true. [00:08:53] Speaker 04: I think it had a lot to do with money. [00:08:55] Speaker 04: And it was really a politically motivated thing. [00:08:58] Speaker 04: But I also think it really takes on the character in that context when it comes in at the 11th hour of trial as a way to sort of [00:09:09] Speaker 04: salvager case of the 11th hour. [00:09:12] Speaker 04: I don't think a jury could just based on that testimony bullet. [00:09:16] Speaker 03: I guess what I'm not following here is just because he says, I think it had to do with money. [00:09:23] Speaker 03: The jury doesn't have the credit that it did have something to do with money, just like it wouldn't have to credit testimony provided by the defense that the decision didn't have anything to do with money. [00:09:39] Speaker 03: I mean, that's where the jury to decide based on all the evidence and all the facts and circumstance. [00:09:47] Speaker 03: It's not like kind of a question of fact. [00:09:56] Speaker 03: It's like, was $20 paid on Monday or not? [00:10:04] Speaker 03: And the plaintiff can kind of concede that [00:10:09] Speaker 04: he received 20 dollars on monday this was about like why that's not happening that is that is definitely true your honor but let me just say this it wasn't like he just said i have mixed feelings about this uh i think it might have had something to do with race i think he was very definitive he said this was just punishment for my not supporting his organizing thing this was because of money it had and he he is a person who [00:10:37] Speaker 04: I mean, he was the second in command. [00:10:39] Speaker 04: He was working with the president on a daily basis. [00:10:42] Speaker 04: I mean, when you sort of spin out a story like that based on your firsthand experience, I mean, you're in the best position to say that. [00:10:51] Speaker 04: And let me just add, I see my time has expired, but our case was even stronger than just his deposition testimony. [00:10:59] Speaker 04: His chief witness in the case was a fellow person on the executive board or the executive council of the union, a woman by the name of Jane Nygaard. [00:11:07] Speaker 04: If you look at Appendix 442, her story was entirely consistent with the plaintiff's narrative. [00:11:16] Speaker 04: She said Cox had a huge ego. [00:11:18] Speaker 04: He didn't like it that Eugene Hudson seemed smarter than him. [00:11:22] Speaker 04: He had a better grasp of the Constitution. [00:11:24] Speaker 04: He was irritated by it. [00:11:26] Speaker 04: He didn't say that evoked racist feelings in him. [00:11:28] Speaker 04: He was irritated by that, that he was on top of things that he wasn't. [00:11:33] Speaker 04: And that's basically in her testimony why he did this. [00:11:37] Speaker 04: And that was basically going to be the end of our testimony. [00:11:41] Speaker 04: And what does plaintiff's counsel do in an effort to sort of resurrect the case after these concessions that were made by the plaintiff himself? [00:11:49] Speaker 04: She asked this leading question. [00:11:51] Speaker 04: Do you believe Eugene's race had anything to do with the fact that those departments were taken away from him? [00:11:58] Speaker 04: Oh, I do believe it had a part of it, exactly. [00:12:03] Speaker 04: I think when you look at the whole way this case came in, both at the deposition stage and obviously more important at the trial stage. [00:12:11] Speaker 04: Have you ever heard the phrase uppity negro? [00:12:14] Speaker 04: I'm sorry? [00:12:15] Speaker 03: Have you ever heard the phrase uppity negro? [00:12:18] Speaker 03: I have heard the phrase. [00:12:20] Speaker 03: And it refers to discrimination against an African-American because they aim to act like they know as much as a white person or more, right? [00:12:35] Speaker 03: That's what it means, right? [00:12:38] Speaker 03: I understand that. [00:12:40] Speaker 03: That's the context. [00:12:43] Speaker 03: That's a form and motive of discrimination. [00:12:46] Speaker 03: Absolutely. [00:12:47] Speaker 03: But neither he [00:12:50] Speaker 04: nor his chief witness Nyquist. [00:12:53] Speaker 04: I urge the court to look at this very closely, the testimony of 442 by Nyquist. [00:12:58] Speaker 04: I think it's particularly telling. [00:13:00] Speaker 04: I can understand. [00:13:01] Speaker 03: Why isn't the witnesses testimony that you just recounted to us consistent with that sort of a theory of the motive for discrimination? [00:13:14] Speaker 04: It doesn't come across that way. [00:13:17] Speaker 04: I mean, it could theoretically, and I can understand that feeling. [00:13:21] Speaker 04: And I sort of wondered about that myself. [00:13:23] Speaker 04: But the testimony was not to that effect. [00:13:27] Speaker 04: And if it were, then it wouldn't create the need to jump in with this leading question. [00:13:35] Speaker 04: Well, she interjects race into it. [00:13:37] Speaker 04: Well, do you think race, as if the prior testimony on its face [00:13:43] Speaker 04: does not evoke that concept at all. [00:13:46] Speaker 04: And there wouldn't have been a need to ask that leading question. [00:13:48] Speaker 04: I think to sustain a jury verdict based on, yes, that could definitely be a situation that exists in the world. [00:13:56] Speaker 04: I don't deny that. [00:13:57] Speaker 04: But the plaintiff, even in a race discrimination case, has the burden of proof. [00:14:01] Speaker 04: And our submission to you is, in the words of the carpenter case, he shot himself in the foot. [00:14:07] Speaker 04: And he put on a witness who shot him in the other foot. [00:14:11] Speaker 04: That's our position. [00:14:13] Speaker 02: All right, thank you. [00:14:15] Speaker 02: Ms. [00:14:15] Speaker 02: Morton, good morning. [00:14:21] Speaker 02: You need to turn your microphone up. [00:14:24] Speaker 00: Thank you very much. [00:14:25] Speaker 00: Good morning, Your Honors. [00:14:26] Speaker 00: May it please the court, Kimmy Morton for the plaintiff appellee, Eugene Hudson, Jr. [00:14:32] Speaker 00: And I would just like to jump in where the conversation left off and note that in the order denying the JKMOL, [00:14:42] Speaker 00: Judge Boersberg, certainly in the motion for reconsideration rather, I stand corrected, when AFGE had filed a motion for summary judgment raising essentially the same points that they're making today and that they made in their JMOL, Judge Boersberg wrote that Mr. Hudson's deposition testimony was not made in quote, direct response [00:15:11] Speaker 00: to precise questions about whether Cox's actions were racially motivated, and that would be found at appendix 427 to 428 in his order at page three and four. [00:15:25] Speaker 00: And I think that's very important because this was a very long deposition. [00:15:30] Speaker 00: I believe we were there for eight hours and there was a lot of wide ranging questions from AFGE just generally about Mr. Hudson's work with President Cox. [00:15:44] Speaker 00: And the deposition testimony that AFGE is citing came during a point in the deposition where he was just opining on his views of what may have motivated Mr. Cox. [00:15:57] Speaker 00: But from the beginning at page four of the appellant's brief, AFGE admits that quote, from start to finish, [00:16:07] Speaker 00: plaintiff argued a pretext theory of discrimination in his complaint, in his summary judgment pleadings, in his opening statement at trial, in his closing statement at trial. [00:16:20] Speaker 00: And of course the judge in denying the judgment for motion on the, to put aside the jury verdict was correct in that the jury returned a verdict [00:16:35] Speaker 00: for Mr. Hudson finding that, quote, Hudson proved by a preponderance of the evidence that AFGE discriminated against him on the basis of race when it removed the AFGE human resources and information services departments from his supervision. [00:16:54] Speaker 00: That was the finding of the jury based on the court's instructions to the jury to which AFGE interposed no objections before it went to the jury. [00:17:05] Speaker 00: A month later, AFGE moved for JMOL under Rule 50, but the court correctly stated, as this circuit has held, that in evaluating a Rule 50 motion, the court cannot lightly disturb a jury verdict. [00:17:21] Speaker 00: and that JMOL is appropriate as a matter of law, only if the evidence and all reasonable inferences that can be drawn from the evidence are so one-sided that reasonable men and women could not have reached a verdict in plaintiff's favor. [00:17:37] Speaker 00: That is, Muldrow v. Redirect, Inc. [00:17:39] Speaker 00: 493, F3rd, 160, and 165, the D.C. [00:17:43] Speaker 00: Circuit case in 2007. [00:17:46] Speaker 00: The district court could not substitute its view for that of the jury, and it can assess neither the credibility nor the weight of the evidence. [00:17:56] Speaker 00: That is the function of the jury. [00:17:58] Speaker 00: And that is precisely what the jury did in this case. [00:18:01] Speaker 00: And for that reason, the court denied AFGE's motion for summary judgment and the JMOL based on the same sole argument that Mr. Hudson somehow exploded his case, shot himself in the foot by a meandering comment he made during his deposition. [00:18:19] Speaker 00: I might add that the case that's relied on by AFGE, that's the Carpenter case, is totally different. [00:18:27] Speaker 00: In the Carpenter case, it was a sexual discrimination case. [00:18:32] Speaker 00: And the plaintiff never claimed that the discrimination was based on her gender. [00:18:38] Speaker 00: She claimed that she was discriminated against and passed over for a promotion because she espoused, you know, against an anti-fraternization policy and this circuit [00:18:51] Speaker 00: ruled that, you know, that may be true, but that's not sex discrimination. [00:18:57] Speaker 00: That plaintiff and carpenter never made the kind of showing, provided the kind of evidence of discrimination that Mr. Hudson provided by showing that Mr. Cox, the decision maker, held racial animus by his use of the term son and boy, by the fact that [00:19:16] Speaker 00: He took no real disciplinary action against another AFGE official who called Mr. Hudson the N-word on two separate occasions in 2011 and 2015. [00:19:30] Speaker 00: Mr. Hudson also introduced the evidence which the district court referred to of Rocky Kabir, another person of color who complained that the decision maker, President Cox, called him son and boy over his objections. [00:19:44] Speaker 00: And this kind of evidence was not presented in the Carpenter case. [00:19:55] Speaker 00: In addition, the court then proceeded as it had to, under the law, under McDonald Douglas, it had to proceed [00:20:06] Speaker 00: to then find whether AFGE's stated justification of operational efficiency suffices as a legitimate non-discriminatory explanation for Defendants Act, citing Figueroa v. Pompeo, 923 F. [00:20:22] Speaker 00: 3rd, 1078, 1087-88, DC Circuit 2019, [00:20:29] Speaker 00: The district court correctly ruled that the burden then shifted to Mr. Hudson to show, quote, based on all the evidence and any further evidence of discrimination that may be available to the plaintiff, such as independent evidence of discriminatory statements or attitudes on the part of the employer. [00:20:48] Speaker 00: Mr. Hudson then presented his case involving Cox's bias against other black individuals and himself, as I have earlier discussed. [00:21:00] Speaker 00: That was not enough, the court said. [00:21:02] Speaker 00: The court said, just showing bias is not enough. [00:21:04] Speaker 00: You have to show that there was another reason, that there were other reasons. [00:21:08] Speaker 00: And the reason Mr. Hudson showed was that he was a capable leader of the HR department. [00:21:15] Speaker 00: AFGE National Vice President Dorothy James testified that he improved the department during his tenure. [00:21:22] Speaker 00: That's at the trial transcript of 149 to 150. [00:21:25] Speaker 00: AFGE emeritus Jane Nygaard also testified that Mr. Hudson was a good, capable leader and made very complimentary remarks about him. [00:21:37] Speaker 00: And that Cox's decision to take away the departments was, quote, just a way to get back at NST Hudson. [00:21:45] Speaker 00: and that Hudson's race was a part of it, she testified. [00:21:48] Speaker 00: Of course, this is just her belief, this is not evidence, but we do have evidence in the testimony regarding Mr. Cox's animus. [00:21:58] Speaker 00: And because the court cannot substitute its view for that of the jury and cannot assess the credibility or the weight of the evidence, the district court ruled that the evidence provided by the plaintiff was sufficient to allow the jury to [00:22:14] Speaker 00: quote, be quite suspicious of AFGE's proffered rationale and to conclude that the decision to take away the two departments was protectual. [00:22:26] Speaker 00: And if disbelief is accompanied by a suspicion of mendacity, the likelihood of intentional discrimination is increased, permitting the jury to infer discrimination more readily as this [00:22:38] Speaker 00: United States Supreme Court held in St. [00:22:40] Speaker 00: Mary's Honor Center versus Hicks 509 US 502 511 1993. [00:22:48] Speaker 00: Here we have shown clearly that there was mendacity, that the reason offered by the defendant [00:22:55] Speaker 00: is not correct, and that Mr. Cox was motivated by animus in removing the two departments. [00:23:02] Speaker 00: As to the sufficiency of evidence on the damages, if I only have a short period left, I would like to again ask the court to uphold the ruling of Judge Boisberg. [00:23:16] Speaker 00: He cited Carter versus Duncan hyphen, [00:23:19] Speaker 00: Puggin, limited 727F21225, a DC Circuit case from 1984, which held that a plaintiff's own testimony is sufficient to establish emotional distress and damages. [00:23:32] Speaker 00: Mr. Hudson was the second highest ranking AFGE officer. [00:23:36] Speaker 00: He was the national secretary treasurer, the first African-American ever elected to that position, yet he was subjected to humiliation and [00:23:47] Speaker 00: a lot of embarrassment as he testified, when almost 50%, I think it was about something like 40 or 49% of his budget and staff was stripped away by President Kopp. [00:23:58] Speaker 00: In fact, he was, quote, the uppity Negro. [00:24:03] Speaker 00: And he felt devastated by that. [00:24:08] Speaker 00: And we believe that the court should sustain Judge Boisberg's denial of the day MOL. [00:24:17] Speaker 02: All right, thank you. [00:24:18] Speaker 02: Unless the court has questions, we have your argument, Mr. Roth. [00:24:27] Speaker 02: OK. [00:24:30] Speaker 02: Did you have one minute left? [00:24:33] Speaker 02: Well, did he have any time left? [00:24:35] Speaker 02: OK. [00:24:36] Speaker 02: You didn't have any time yet. [00:24:37] Speaker 02: You used it all. [00:24:38] Speaker 02: Thanks. [00:24:38] Speaker 02: You'll call the next case, please.