[00:00:01] Speaker 01: Case number 21-519, Joseph Michael LaGarris at Belant versus Merrick B. Garland, U.S. [00:00:08] Speaker 01: Attorney General, and Michael E. Horowitz, U.S. [00:00:11] Speaker 01: Inspector General. [00:00:13] Speaker 01: Mr. Ojaie Amicus-Garayi at Belant, Mr. Dreier at Belize. [00:00:20] Speaker 03: Council for Appellant. [00:00:23] Speaker 02: Thank you, Your Honor. [00:00:24] Speaker 02: Erica Hashimoto has court-appointed amicus. [00:00:27] Speaker 02: In this case, with the court's permission, Odunayo Derojaye, a third-year law student at Georgetown Law Center, will be presenting argument on behalf of amicus. [00:00:50] Speaker 00: May it please the court. [00:00:53] Speaker 00: was promulgated for situations like this. [00:00:56] Speaker 00: Mr. Ladaris did not receive the district court's order until 69 days after it was entered. [00:01:03] Speaker 00: Shortly after he received the order, he sought to appeal it, but filed an incomplete Rule 4A6 motion to reopen. [00:01:11] Speaker 00: Once he was on notice that his motion to reopen was incomplete, he supplemented it with additional information as to why he qualified for Rule 4A6. [00:01:19] Speaker 00: This court should ensure his documents [00:01:23] Speaker 00: as a timely file of rule 486 motion to reopen. [00:01:27] Speaker 00: Because when applying the doctrine of contemporaneous filings, Ms. [00:01:30] Speaker 00: Ildaris' motion to reopen was timely. [00:01:34] Speaker 04: When you say an incomplete motion to reopen, you're referring to the notice of appeal. [00:01:44] Speaker 04: Correct, Your Honor. [00:01:45] Speaker 04: It's a pretty expansive notion, what a motion to reopen. [00:01:51] Speaker 00: No, Your Honor, because the reason it's an incomplete motion to reopen is because it did not specify that Mr. Ladaris did not receive the district court's order within 21 days of it being entered. [00:02:03] Speaker 00: In the 9th and the 11th circuits, when a notice of appeal included those reasons, they were construed as a timely and complete motion to reopen. [00:02:14] Speaker 00: And so, too, are they [00:02:15] Speaker 00: Mr. Lideres' notice of appeal with the response to the order to show cause are timely and complete for a 4A6 motion to reopen. [00:02:23] Speaker 00: And this court should consider the information that he provided in his response to the order to show cause because of the Supreme Court's longstanding history of considering contemporaneous documents to her imperfections of war. [00:02:37] Speaker 00: In Foeman, the Supreme Court allowed an untimely notice of appeal and a timely notice of appeal to determine that the appellant had sought relief [00:02:45] Speaker 00: of both underlying motion for the underlying denial of the motion to vacate, as well as the motion, the order that the appellant had talked review of. [00:02:55] Speaker 00: And this court should do the same here and consider the untimely, the timely notice of appeal with the response to the order to show cause that was filed outside [00:03:05] Speaker 00: And this court should apply the doctrine of contemporaneous filings to Rule 4A6, because when this court applied the doctrine to Rule 15, Rule 15 did not have a provision in it that stated an appeal should not be dismissed for informality of form. [00:03:20] Speaker 00: Nonetheless, this court applied the doctrine to Rule 15 and allowed for variety of contemporaneous documents. [00:03:27] Speaker 00: This case falls comfortably within the precedent set in Sinclair. [00:03:31] Speaker 00: In Sinclair, experienced counsel [00:03:34] Speaker 00: failed to satisfy the requirements of Rule 15A, which are jurisdictional, but this were allowed a contemporaneous document to satisfy those requirements. [00:03:44] Speaker 04: Why is a document filed 39 days late, contemporaneous, in the context of a rule whose entire time horizon is 14 days? [00:04:01] Speaker 00: The document is contemporaneous because in this court, in small business and telecoms, this court defines contemporaneous as at or near the same time. [00:04:11] Speaker 00: And in Sinclair, 34 days was contemporaneous. [00:04:15] Speaker 04: But 39 versus 34 is helpful to you. [00:04:20] Speaker 04: But I mean, neither of those sounds hugely contemporaneous to me. [00:04:27] Speaker 04: We're talking about at least a month. [00:04:30] Speaker 04: And one difference between Sinclair and here is the underlying time period in Sinclair was 60 days. [00:04:39] Speaker 04: You're 34 days late relative to a 60 day period. [00:04:43] Speaker 04: Here you're 39 days late relative to, even if everything goes perfectly, you only get 14 extra days. [00:04:52] Speaker 00: Yes, Your Honor. [00:04:53] Speaker 00: However, in Sinclair, that document was still filed outside the time limitations for the petition for review. [00:05:00] Speaker 00: And in this case, when you apply the doctrine of contemporaneous filings to Rule 4A6, the incomplete motion to reopen was still filed within 14 days of receiving the district court's order. [00:05:12] Speaker 00: And so when the doctrine of contemporaneous filings is applied, May 17th is the governing date of the motion to reopen because the information in the response to the order to show clause is only meant to supplement the information in the incomplete motion to reopen. [00:05:28] Speaker 04: Sorry, walk me through that. [00:05:29] Speaker 04: How do you get 14 days on this timeline? [00:05:36] Speaker 00: Mr. Ladaris received the district court's order on May 4th, 2021, and he submitted his notice of appeal, which was an incomplete Rule 46 motion to reopen on May 7th, 2021. [00:05:51] Speaker 00: And so because that was filed within the time limitations of Rule 4A6, even though it was incomplete, when the doctrine of contemporaneous filings is applied, May 17th is the governing date of the motion to reopen. [00:06:04] Speaker 00: And the governing location of the motion to reopen is the district court. [00:06:09] Speaker 04: But it's the document that cures the defects that has to be contemporaneously filed, right? [00:06:17] Speaker 04: That's the response to the order to show cause. [00:06:21] Speaker 00: And this court should consider the information in the response of the order to show cause, because when this court applied the doctrine to Rule 15, the provision in it did not state that an appeal should not be dismissed for informality of court. [00:06:35] Speaker 00: Nonetheless, this court applied it, and so too should they do the same in the context of Rule 486. [00:06:41] Speaker 00: And we look at the substance of the documents that were contemporary of the motion to reopen. [00:06:47] Speaker 00: They are satisfied with the requirements of Rule 4A6 because they allege and they assert that he did not receive the district court's order within 21 days. [00:06:56] Speaker 00: And he also provides proof of not receiving it with the stamp of the district court's order being set for May 4th, 2021. [00:07:04] Speaker 00: And the Supreme Court has emphasized an elevation of substance over [00:07:10] Speaker 00: And so because these documents together are the functional equivalent of a Rule 4A6 motion to reopen, that substance should be elevated over the form that the documents came from. [00:07:21] Speaker 00: And the form is also not dispositive because the courts of appeal agree that a Rule 4A6 motion does not need to be formal. [00:07:29] Speaker 00: And so because Mr. Ladares included the information, this court can consider the documents as a timely and complete Rule 4A6 motion to reopen. [00:07:37] Speaker 00: And the documents together satisfy the requirements of federal rules of Civil Procedure 71. [00:07:45] Speaker 00: Because they are in writing, they state the grounds for relief, and they ask this court to not dismiss for his appeal, or not dismiss his appeal. [00:07:54] Speaker 00: And this court also has a discretion to forward his documents. [00:07:57] Speaker 00: And so this court should, because it is unjust when an appellant who did not receive the district court's order filed a subsequent document in the wrong court, it would be unjust not for this court to forward that motion when Mr. Ladaris [00:08:12] Speaker 00: asserts that he did not receive the district court's order within 21 days of entry and includes that information. [00:08:18] Speaker 05: Would you define an incomplete motion as a general? [00:08:23] Speaker 00: An incomplete motion to reopen would not include that the appellant did not receive the district court's order within 21 days of entry. [00:08:32] Speaker 05: What about just even more generally, not even in the context of the appeal? [00:08:39] Speaker 05: Is an incomplete motion [00:08:41] Speaker 05: firm that you're using in eyes. [00:08:46] Speaker 00: Oh your honor for a rule for a six motion in order for it to be it would need to have been submitted within or um it would need to have been submitted and include the information he did not receive the district court's order and within 21 days and so because that information is missing that is what would make the motion to reopen is incomplete. [00:09:08] Speaker 00: And in conclusion, this court should construe his documents as a timely file rule for a six motion to reopen. [00:09:14] Speaker 00: There are no further questions. [00:09:17] Speaker 00: Thank you. [00:09:18] Speaker 00: I would like to reserve the rest of my time for. [00:09:22] Speaker 03: Thank you. [00:09:23] Speaker 03: So council floor app, please. [00:09:32] Speaker 06: Good morning. [00:09:32] Speaker 06: May it please the court. [00:09:34] Speaker 06: Douglas Dreier on behalf of the attorney general and inspector general. [00:09:38] Speaker 06: The heart of this case is that Mr. Lideres filed an appeal more than six days after entry of judgment and did not timely file either a rule 4A5 motion for extension or a rule 4A6 motion to reopen. [00:09:51] Speaker 06: Mr. Lideres admits as much on page 17 of his opening brief and on page four of his reply brief. [00:09:57] Speaker 06: Now we are here on an abuse of discretion standard asking whether the district court abuse its discretion and failing to rule on a motion never filed. [00:10:06] Speaker 06: As Mr. Lideres failed to comply with the rules and with 28 USC 2107, the court should dismiss this untimely appeal for lack of jurisdiction. [00:10:16] Speaker 04: Well, I mean, we're here on a legal question, whether the original filing, the notice of appeal is close enough to a 4A6 and whether the [00:10:32] Speaker 04: curing document of response to the order show cause is good enough and was filed soon enough, right? [00:10:41] Speaker 04: Those are legal questions. [00:10:44] Speaker 06: Yes, but if there was a rule 485 or 486 motion, then the district court's order would have been ruled on based on abuse of discretion. [00:10:54] Speaker 06: Uh, and here there is no dispute. [00:10:56] Speaker 06: My friend agrees. [00:10:57] Speaker 06: Sure. [00:10:57] Speaker 06: But I mean, that's, we haven't reached that point. [00:11:01] Speaker 06: Correct. [00:11:02] Speaker 06: But there's no dispute that a bear notice of appeal is insufficient to constitute a rule for a six motion to reopen or a rule for a five motion for extension. [00:11:12] Speaker 06: And the sole question is whether a response to a show cause order that was filed in a different court on June 23rd, well after his deadline to file either such motion could be treated as a motion to the district court when it was a response. [00:11:33] Speaker 06: There are no further questions. [00:11:37] Speaker 06: I thank the court and I ask for dismissal. [00:11:52] Speaker 00: Thank you, Your Honor. [00:11:55] Speaker 00: The government wrongly says that this is a bearer notice of appeal. [00:11:59] Speaker 00: This does not fall within any of the cases that are bearer notice of appeal, which would be in not a motion to reopen. [00:12:06] Speaker 00: This is the situation in which the notice of appeal was supplemented with additional information as to why he qualified for Rule 486. [00:12:14] Speaker 00: As any precedent that was set on a bearer notice of appeal does not apply here, especially because a notice of appeal does not need to be [00:12:22] Speaker 00: All that it has to do is allege, sorry, a motion to reopen does not need to be formal. [00:12:28] Speaker 00: All that it has to do is allege that the appellant did not receive the district court's order, and that is what Ms. [00:12:33] Speaker 00: Solideri said. [00:12:34] Speaker 00: He told this court that he did not receive the district court's order. [00:12:37] Speaker 04: I mean, it has to ask the district court for more, ask the district court for more time. [00:12:47] Speaker 04: And it has to show lack of prejudice. [00:12:51] Speaker 04: on the other side. [00:12:52] Speaker 04: I mean, there are elements to this rule and there is a court in which it has to be filed. [00:12:58] Speaker 04: And the order to show cause response doesn't doesn't tick off those elements, doesn't tick off any of that. [00:13:06] Speaker 04: Just asks for an equitable extension of the 60 day period, which you might like to do, but you know, from bowls that we can't. [00:13:18] Speaker 00: Your honor, this is not an equitable exception because when this court applied the doctrine of contemporaneous. [00:13:24] Speaker 04: The order to show cause opposition says. [00:13:29] Speaker 04: You consider my appeal timely because I didn't get notice in time. [00:13:40] Speaker 00: Yes, your honor, but he also states that he did not receive the district court's order and that is enough for a [00:13:46] Speaker 00: six motion to reopen because he did not receive it. [00:13:50] Speaker 00: And no particular words are necessary for a motion under rule four a six, but alleging that is sufficient. [00:13:57] Speaker 00: And although Mr. Lideres did not include that the government did not, would not be prejudiced. [00:14:02] Speaker 00: The government has yet to offer a reason as to why they would be prejudiced and having to appeal the case or to go through the motion, go through the case would not be a reason to alleged prejudice. [00:14:14] Speaker 00: And on your note of [00:14:17] Speaker 00: the district court. [00:14:19] Speaker 00: This court has a discretion to forward it to the district court to put the district court on notice, and it should exercise this discretion. [00:14:26] Speaker 03: Could I ask you whether or not you're familiar or not with the district court's pro se procedures? [00:14:36] Speaker 00: No, Your Honor, I'm not familiar. [00:14:39] Speaker 03: Thank you.