[00:00:00] Speaker 00: Case number 22-8521, being read, Larry Klement. [00:00:04] Speaker 00: Mr. Klement for the respondent. [00:00:09] Speaker 01: Mr. Klement, good morning. [00:00:11] Speaker 01: Morning. [00:00:27] Speaker 01: May it please the court, Judge Henderson, Judge Wilkins, and Judge Walker. [00:00:33] Speaker 01: This is a very important case. [00:00:35] Speaker 01: It involves me, but it really involves everyone. [00:00:39] Speaker 01: It involves issues of whether or not an individual can get a fair hearing. [00:00:47] Speaker 01: This case is 13 years old. [00:00:50] Speaker 01: It began in 2010. [00:00:53] Speaker 01: Florida, Pennsylvania dismissed identical complaints filed by Ms. [00:00:58] Speaker 01: Elham Satake 13 years ago. [00:01:03] Speaker 01: The case sat at the DC bar, Disciplinary Council, for seven years. [00:01:10] Speaker 01: Ms. [00:01:10] Speaker 01: Satake, under the policies of the Office of Disciplinary Council, abandoned the complaint. [00:01:16] Speaker 01: That's in her brief. [00:01:18] Speaker 01: Seven years later, it was resurrected when there was a new disciplinary council by the name of Hamilton Fox. [00:01:25] Speaker 01: The previous disciplinary council, Dean Schiff, was a very fair and honest man. [00:01:32] Speaker 01: During the reign of Mr. Fox, various conservatives and Republican lawyers have been subject to bar complaints. [00:01:39] Speaker 01: It's become kind of a jihad in a way. [00:01:42] Speaker 01: Kellyanne Conway, former Attorney General Bill Barr, all four presidents of the D.C. [00:01:47] Speaker 01: Barr, brought a complaint against him because he simply dismissed the indictment of Michael Flynn. [00:01:56] Speaker 01: Rudy Giuliani, John Eastman, Senator Ted Cruz, Josh Foley, and on the other hand, Kevin Kleinsmith, who got wrapped up in the Russian collusion investigation, who was convicted of perjury, had a slap on the wrist. [00:02:12] Speaker 01: There's something wrong there. [00:02:14] Speaker 01: There's something not right. [00:02:17] Speaker 01: At the hearing committee, there were a very partisan committee. [00:02:21] Speaker 01: An individual by the name of Michael Tiger, who had been fired by Justice Brandon for his ties to Fidel Castro, sat on that committee. [00:02:30] Speaker 01: He recently wrote a book, Mythologies of What's Wrong with Capitalist Law, just paraphrasing, endorsed by Angela Davis, Bernadine Dorn. [00:02:42] Speaker 01: And Anthony Fitch, the hearing chair, was very deferential to him, very much of the same political persuasion. [00:02:50] Speaker 01: Importantly, there is no clear and convincing evidence that I committed any ethics violations. [00:02:56] Speaker 01: I submitted seven material witnesses, including the union president, Tim Shamblin, who worked with me every step of the way to try to help Ms. [00:03:05] Speaker 01: Satake. [00:03:06] Speaker 01: She had claimed sexual harassment and workplace retaliation at the Voice of America. [00:03:12] Speaker 01: I had Gloria Allred, who happens to be a friend of mine, but also I took Ms. [00:03:19] Speaker 01: Satake to her when it was determined that she should get other counsel. [00:03:23] Speaker 01: She didn't want Ms. [00:03:24] Speaker 01: Allred. [00:03:26] Speaker 01: I took her to another one and didn't want that lawyer either. [00:03:30] Speaker 01: Former Judge Stanley Sporkin, who I remember testified on my behalf, said that my case strategy was sound. [00:03:37] Speaker 01: He attested to my character. [00:03:39] Speaker 01: I've been in front of him for many, many years. [00:03:40] Speaker 01: May his soul rest in peace. [00:03:41] Speaker 01: He showed up at the hearing in a wheelchair with his family. [00:03:44] Speaker 01: That's how much he felt about coming to testify on my behalf. [00:03:50] Speaker 01: Mr. Taki was coached. [00:03:52] Speaker 01: She was told to say that I never got authorization to publicize her case. [00:03:59] Speaker 01: Mr. Schambl testified that that's the way you can try to coax a settlement with Voice of America, which has the reputation of being the worst agency in government in terms of employee relations. [00:04:10] Speaker 01: But importantly, after the hearing committee and during the briefing process before the board, and I might add the board was chaired [00:04:19] Speaker 01: by Matt Kaiser. [00:04:20] Speaker 01: Matt Kaiser, who has now filed cases against Donald Trump and who wrote for Above the Law, extolling the virtues of Hillary Clinton and disparaging Trump, is a partisan as well. [00:04:34] Speaker 01: He was the board chairman. [00:04:35] Speaker 01: I asked to open a record to look at that document because Mr. Taki had given a video interview in Persian TV in Los Angeles, revealing all of the information she claims that I should not have revealed to try to coax the settlement. [00:04:50] Speaker 01: And in fact, she went up the Capitol Hill with Tim Shambel. [00:04:54] Speaker 01: Your Honor, we were forced to file a Rule 60 complaint in the Superior Court. [00:05:00] Speaker 01: That complaint is going through its process now. [00:05:04] Speaker 00: Help me understand. [00:05:05] Speaker 00: The rules of civil procedure in Superior Court are pretty much identical to the federal rules of civil procedure. [00:05:13] Speaker 00: Correct. [00:05:15] Speaker 00: So could, if you were [00:05:23] Speaker 00: If your bar application was either revoked or denied by the U.S. [00:05:30] Speaker 00: Supreme Court, you sought to become a member of the U.S. [00:05:34] Speaker 00: Supreme Court bar, you believe you could file an action under Rule 60 in the U.S. [00:05:42] Speaker 00: District Court to have the District Court judge set aside the order of the Supreme Court denying you admission to the Supreme Court bar? [00:05:54] Speaker 00: That is not the issue here. [00:05:57] Speaker 00: I'm asking you a question. [00:05:59] Speaker 00: Would that be a plausible lawsuit? [00:06:01] Speaker 00: Yes, it would be. [00:06:03] Speaker 00: Do you think Rule 60 would give a U.S. [00:06:05] Speaker 00: District Judge the authority to set aside an order of the U.S. [00:06:09] Speaker 00: Supreme Court? [00:06:11] Speaker 01: If that order was based on fraud, yes, then we're saying there was fraud here. [00:06:15] Speaker 00: That's the theory of your superior court lawsuit under Rule 60, right? [00:06:21] Speaker 01: The reason your question, in all due respect, is out of context. [00:06:24] Speaker 01: is because the judgment here was of the Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia. [00:06:33] Speaker 00: can be set aside by the Superior Court of the District of Columbia, which is inferior to the D.C. [00:06:40] Speaker 00: Court of Appeals. [00:06:41] Speaker 01: Yes, it then can be appealed back, but that's not the point. [00:06:45] Speaker 00: An inferior court can set aside a judgment of the Superior Court. [00:06:49] Speaker 01: If it's based on fraud, okay, if in fact an individual comes in like Ms. [00:06:54] Speaker 00: Cotton did. [00:06:55] Speaker 00: Can you cite me an instance in the history of litigation where that's ever happened? [00:07:02] Speaker 01: Your Honor, I'm glad that you're asking these questions. [00:07:04] Speaker 01: I will file a supplemental brief. [00:07:05] Speaker 01: I've been asking for the court to consider this. [00:07:07] Speaker 00: No, I'm not asking for a supplemental brief. [00:07:09] Speaker 00: You haven't been given leave to do that. [00:07:11] Speaker 00: You have your opportunity now. [00:07:13] Speaker 01: I haven't been given leave for anything. [00:07:14] Speaker 01: I agree. [00:07:15] Speaker 01: I haven't. [00:07:16] Speaker 01: And, you know, please. [00:07:17] Speaker 01: You've got your time right now. [00:07:19] Speaker 01: Tell me when that's going to happen. [00:07:20] Speaker 01: I've only got 10 minutes because I asked for 20 minutes. [00:07:23] Speaker 01: But let me get to the point here, Your Honor, if I may. [00:07:26] Speaker 01: Regardless of that. [00:07:27] Speaker 01: Regardless of that. [00:07:29] Speaker 01: These documents were not considered. [00:07:31] Speaker 01: I was denied due process. [00:07:32] Speaker 01: That video was not considered. [00:07:34] Speaker 01: People died in the intervening 13 years. [00:07:39] Speaker 01: Rotunda, Professor Rotunda, who was going to testify on my behalf, an expert. [00:07:43] Speaker 01: Arlene Aviera, the psychologist who treated Ms. [00:07:47] Speaker 01: Sataki, who I took her to because she was in emotional distress. [00:07:51] Speaker 01: These people died. [00:07:52] Speaker 01: Documents were lost. [00:07:54] Speaker 01: Florida and Pennsylvania dismissed the case. [00:07:59] Speaker 01: You can sit there and be upset at me, but I'm entitled to defend myself and I've asked repeatedly. [00:08:06] Speaker 01: I asked you to review the record. [00:08:08] Speaker 01: That's something that you can do. [00:08:10] Speaker 01: You said you wouldn't even do that. [00:08:11] Speaker 01: I wanted to give you a flash drive and I gave you a hard copy. [00:08:14] Speaker 01: Oh, we don't want to look at that. [00:08:16] Speaker 01: I asked for a stay, a simple stay so we can sort through these issues. [00:08:19] Speaker 01: No, that was refused as well. [00:08:23] Speaker 01: I asked for more than 10 minutes because there's nobody on the other side. [00:08:26] Speaker 01: I couldn't even get more than 10 minutes. [00:08:29] Speaker 01: Then I was forced to file a complaint in the Superior Court just to try to get you to look at the record. [00:08:36] Speaker 01: Get you to look at the record. [00:08:37] Speaker 01: You're defendants in this case. [00:08:38] Speaker 01: You can't sit on this case against me. [00:08:40] Speaker 01: I didn't file that for the purpose of trying to disqualify you. [00:08:43] Speaker 01: I filed it for the purpose to get you to look at the record. [00:08:47] Speaker 01: And you wouldn't do that. [00:08:48] Speaker 00: And now you're sitting here on this court. [00:08:50] Speaker 00: You're sitting here on this court and you have a conflict of interest. [00:08:53] Speaker 00: Mr. Klayman, we look at whatever you file. [00:08:58] Speaker 00: You are subject to the rules just like everybody else. [00:09:02] Speaker 00: If you want to file an appendix, take the appropriate parts of the record and put it in an appendix and we'll review it. [00:09:11] Speaker 00: Why should you be above the rules? [00:09:13] Speaker 01: I'm not, and that's exactly what we did. [00:09:15] Speaker 01: Your clerk told me to move to leave to put the testimony in the record. [00:09:19] Speaker 00: You had an opportunity to file an appendix and you did. [00:09:21] Speaker 00: Then you wanted to supplement the appendix and we didn't grant you leave. [00:09:24] Speaker 00: There's no harm in that. [00:09:26] Speaker 00: Just like we don't grant lots of people leave to file everything they want. [00:09:29] Speaker 01: You know, I would expect, Your Honor, because you represent not just me, but the American people. [00:09:35] Speaker 01: You take an oath of office that you're not to rule based on personality or person, but on the basis of the facts and the law. [00:09:42] Speaker 01: There was no prejudice to grant that and not to grant that. [00:09:47] Speaker 01: And in all of these orders that you've issued, there's no explanation. [00:09:50] Speaker 01: There's no reasoning. [00:09:52] Speaker 01: It's just banned. [00:09:54] Speaker 01: And I suggest that a lot of this has to do with the fact that I've been critical of certain members of this court. [00:10:00] Speaker 01: And I had written a book. [00:10:01] Speaker 01: In fact, I'd like to leave you a copy. [00:10:03] Speaker 01: I hope you read it, and I hope you take it to heart. [00:10:06] Speaker 01: It takes a counterrevolution to wake up America, where I talk about some of the members of this court who have not lived to the judicial code of conduct, which isn't great debate today, I might add. [00:10:17] Speaker 01: This, Your Honor, is a situation which many people have described. [00:10:23] Speaker 01: I supported Donald Trump. [00:10:25] Speaker 01: I don't like what's going on with the January 6th defendants here, the peaceful ones, some of whom I represent in class actions. [00:10:31] Speaker 01: I've been critical. [00:10:33] Speaker 01: And I believe that a lot of what's been going on here with the three of you, in all due respect, is retaliation. [00:10:41] Speaker 01: I can't even get a fair hearing from you. [00:10:44] Speaker 01: I've been a member of this bar for many, many years, since 1980. [00:10:50] Speaker 01: And this is a situation today which has even been described by Alan Dershowitz as McCarthyism with regard to people that supported Donald Trump. [00:10:58] Speaker 01: Let's take the law license away. [00:11:01] Speaker 01: Let's not let them practice law. [00:11:02] Speaker 01: Let's remove them. [00:11:04] Speaker 01: Well, I'm standing up here as a matter of principle. [00:11:07] Speaker 01: Frankly, to file cases in this court anymore, I would try to find another court where I had jurisdiction in standing. [00:11:13] Speaker 01: But I'm here as a matter of principle, because today it's Larry Klain, tomorrow it's somebody else. [00:11:21] Speaker 01: And you've got a situation here where even the former Attorney General, Bill Barr, all four presidents of the DC bar, [00:11:28] Speaker 01: and an assistant bar council filed a complaint against him simply because he decided to dismiss the complaint against the criminal indictment against Michael Flynn. [00:11:39] Speaker 01: This city has become toxic. [00:11:41] Speaker 01: The city has become, in fact, weaponized, particularly against conservative and republican lawyers. [00:11:49] Speaker 01: And all I'm asking for you to do is to read the record [00:11:53] Speaker 01: Read the testimony of Tim Chambl. [00:11:55] Speaker 01: Read the seven witnesses. [00:11:57] Speaker 01: Ms. [00:11:57] Speaker 01: Satake was impeached on a number of occasions. [00:12:00] Speaker 01: The Office of Civil Rights, where I filed a claim for her, said that she had not told the truth about the sexual harassment and about the workplace retaliation. [00:12:11] Speaker 01: She testified in front of this court that she wanted to go to Los Angeles because she was going to commit suicide if she didn't because of what happened. [00:12:20] Speaker 00: Your time is up, Mr. Klayman. [00:12:21] Speaker 00: Could you wrap up? [00:12:23] Speaker 01: Thanks. [00:12:23] Speaker 01: Well, Your Honor, I just ask you to read the record, that's all, please, and I'm asking you not just for me, but for what this court stands for, integrity. [00:12:34] Speaker 01: Not retaliation. [00:12:35] Speaker 01: And here's my book, and I'd like to give you a copy of my approach to the bench. [00:12:38] Speaker 00: No, you may not. [00:12:40] Speaker 00: OK. [00:12:40] Speaker 01: We'll make it online. [00:12:41] Speaker 01: Thank you.