[00:00:00] Speaker 03: Case number 21-71-16, Melvin Brown at Ballent vs. Sandra Hill at Elk. [00:00:06] Speaker 03: Mr. Rickman for the at-Ballent, Ms. [00:00:08] Speaker 03: Browder for the District Appellees, Ms. [00:00:10] Speaker 03: Eric Lalla for the Salmon Appellees. [00:00:18] Speaker 02: Good morning, Honors. [00:00:20] Speaker 02: May I please record George Rickman on behalf of Dr. Melvin Brown. [00:00:24] Speaker 02: This case originated because of wrongdoing [00:00:28] Speaker 02: uh, some for others, I, an organization of corporate, um, in the district of Columbia contract. [00:00:38] Speaker 02: Yeah. [00:00:38] Speaker 02: Mental health is alleged to complaint that, um, employees for other ID, um, a false false statements about Mr. Brown, certainly his conduct, along with illegally obtaining medical records. [00:00:57] Speaker 02: to facilitate his removal and involuntary commitment to CPAC and the District of Columbia, a step up within the mental health system of the District of Columbia. [00:01:08] Speaker 02: This form of doing resulted in egregious harm to Mr. Brown, forced medication, and continued detention within the mental health system. [00:01:22] Speaker 02: For all intents and purposes, the U.S. [00:01:26] Speaker 02: District [00:01:27] Speaker 02: found that some was not a state act of constitutional violations that resulted from these allegations. [00:01:39] Speaker 02: But this report's purpose in reaching its conclusion was based on custody. [00:01:45] Speaker 02: Custody is not a basis for defining public function within a state action. [00:01:51] Speaker 02: It was defined by state action. [00:01:53] Speaker 00: Referring to West versus Actions. [00:01:57] Speaker 00: Go along with some of your more substantive arguments. [00:02:00] Speaker 00: I mean, you realize the case has been pending since December 2013 and kind of the third dismissal from this court. [00:02:07] Speaker 00: So what's the best argument you would say that with respect to any equitable tolling or relation back? [00:02:16] Speaker 02: Well, looking at 15C, the landscape has changed since this court's opinion in Nassim Brindle-Paker, and Rindle-Sparansky versus Nassim, and Krupsky versus Krupsky. [00:02:34] Speaker 02: Two important factors occurred in Krupsky. [00:02:39] Speaker 02: Krupsky first altered the analysis from [00:02:44] Speaker 02: to requiring or considering what the defendant knew or should have known within the timeline. [00:02:57] Speaker 02: I see explicitly rejected that argument, but I consider the A, if you look at the A and B analysis, Rekrepsky says, well, if A was mistaken about B's role, [00:03:12] Speaker 00: But the argument was that he was looking for his medical records and then you know something prompted how he got them but there was such a delay even then in getting the medical records. [00:03:43] Speaker 00: And then you also sued SOM, but not necessarily identifying specifically in the complaint in what capacity, whether it was going to be official or individual as well. [00:03:56] Speaker 02: This has been a longstanding precedent. [00:03:58] Speaker 02: But you look at the progress of those [00:04:01] Speaker 02: in determining whether a particular capacity of a defendant. [00:04:06] Speaker 02: I think that if you look at the complaint itself, some misnamed as a particular defendant within the text of the particular counts within the complaint, the course of events that are alleged makes it clear that Gerlach and [00:04:25] Speaker 02: John Adams, the CEO of SOM, were suing their officials. [00:04:35] Speaker ?: OK. [00:04:36] Speaker 02: In fact, I think I put them up within the brief. [00:04:38] Speaker 00: And that's kind of the default anyway. [00:04:39] Speaker 00: If you don't sue them individually, specifically alleging certain actions against them, then they would default to official capacity. [00:04:49] Speaker 00: Yeah. [00:04:50] Speaker 02: Actually, it would probably be an easier case to prove [00:04:53] Speaker 02: against, uh, well, assuming that, that, uh, some was found to be a state actor, state act, uh, in the 1983, uh, as being persons. [00:05:11] Speaker 02: Um, but that being said, while some of the dumb raises, I certainly may be available. [00:05:20] Speaker 02: Uh, so it would probably be an easier case. [00:05:23] Speaker 02: But some, but that being said, I think we argued that Pembauer, that Pembauer would apply because they had actual knowledge of what was going on. [00:05:36] Speaker 02: And there may have been particular allegations that they did in some way participate in the wrong doing. [00:05:42] Speaker 02: So that itself would also. [00:05:47] Speaker 02: purposes of identifying some of this. [00:05:52] Speaker 02: But going back to your question about while this case offers John Doe defendants and Krupsky, apparently the defendants were known to the plaintiff. [00:06:07] Speaker 02: Does this put the circuit as to whether or not Krupsky altered the landscape to include John Doe defendants? [00:06:15] Speaker 02: Because, and arguably because, the raising of Kropsky lends itself to the understanding that the knowledge or the knowledge shifts to what the defendant knew he should have known. [00:06:37] Speaker 02: would state that the different content within you could consider John Doe Defender. [00:06:43] Speaker 02: And there are also particular interests, policy interests, that involve it. [00:06:49] Speaker 02: But there will be a particular network involving where one kind of student perhaps knew of the Defender would be able to avail themselves [00:07:02] Speaker 02: While the defendant did not know the name of the defendant, though it was still intended to sue that defendant, if they did know, would not be able to help themselves. [00:07:13] Speaker 02: And that particular inequity would be addressed by permitting John Doe, the defendant's name, to be included in 15C. [00:07:24] Speaker 02: I'll also add, regarding 15C, in the district's brief, they argued that there was no timing notice, but that was based on [00:07:32] Speaker 02: the actual filing of the complaint. [00:07:35] Speaker 02: Under 4M, actual summonses were not set out until sometime in 1-7-2015. [00:07:47] Speaker 02: Therefore, there would be an imperative for those that under the theory articulated singletary as to the sum dependence reverse within that 108. [00:08:01] Speaker 02: I'm going to make that point. [00:08:06] Speaker 02: And returning back to state action, the court's basic theory on state action that there was not traditional or exclusive function involving the providing of mental health services within the district. [00:08:25] Speaker 02: But it's been a longstanding and traditional [00:08:29] Speaker 02: mandate requirement of that addition by these particular. [00:08:36] Speaker 02: Um, it's the final statute, um, is defined, uh, by case law that I think pointed to the, uh, extent of me that was entered that can order the district provides other housing services. [00:08:50] Speaker 02: And in light of that, the mandatory requirements, um, the court did not address the first particular obligation. [00:08:59] Speaker 02: that were presented or provided the basis for state action. [00:09:07] Speaker 02: I tried to reserve five minutes for follow-up. [00:09:15] Speaker 00: Okay, thank you. [00:09:21] Speaker 00: Thank you. [00:09:39] Speaker 03: Good morning, may it please the court making broader on behalf of Dr. Amelia Villeroos, David Walker, and the District of Columbia, referred to collectively as the District of Pellies. [00:09:50] Speaker 03: Because it is undisputed that none of the District of Pellies were a party to this litigation before the end of the statute of limitations period. [00:09:59] Speaker 03: Mr. Brown must show his entitlement to equitable tolling or that rule 15 applies. [00:10:04] Speaker 03: He can do neither. [00:10:06] Speaker 03: First, as to equitable tolling, there's no diligence. [00:10:09] Speaker 03: The only thing Mr. Brown relies on in the record is his superior court suit, but he did not file that suit until June 2014, which was already outside the statute of limitations period. [00:10:23] Speaker 03: Also, he received the medical records from that suit within at most two months. [00:10:28] Speaker 03: So if he had actually diligently pursued that and filed that suit within the statute of limitations period, he would have gotten those records. [00:10:35] Speaker 03: Second, as to extraordinary circumstances, he's waived that by not raising it below or before this court. [00:10:43] Speaker 03: And there's also nothing in the record to support any extraordinary circumstances. [00:10:48] Speaker 03: Second, as to Rule 15, Rule 15 does not apply here in this court. [00:10:54] Speaker 03: I know that appellant relies on Kresge, but I don't think it's necessary to go into the mistake doctrine at all to solve this case. [00:11:02] Speaker 03: This court can resolve it on the first prong of Rule 15C, which says that the defendant had to have notice within the rule foreign period of the action, had to receive such notice. [00:11:13] Speaker 03: It's undisputed that no District Appellee received notice of this action before June 2015 when Mr. Walker was served. [00:11:21] Speaker 03: That's more than a year after the statute of limitations period ended. [00:11:26] Speaker 03: And even on the second prong, even if we set aside the mistake part of it, the defendant also had to know within the 4M period. [00:11:34] Speaker 03: that they would have been an attendant defendant here. [00:11:37] Speaker 03: And again, because the district did not receive such notice, none of the district appellees would have been on notice or would have been able to know within the four-hour period. [00:11:48] Speaker 03: If there are no questions, we would rest on our papers and ask that this court affirm the issue of court's dismissal of all of the district appellee. [00:12:15] Speaker 04: Good morning, and may it please the court. [00:12:16] Speaker 04: Kate Urklauer on behalf of Sum, Anne Chauvin, Belinda Seeley, Susan Bond, John Adams, and Richard Gurley, who I'll refer to as the Sum of Police. [00:12:27] Speaker 04: The court inquired as to the circumstance position on that dismissal of Sum as an entity was appropriate. [00:12:35] Speaker 04: And here we would request that the court affirm because it was appropriate to dismiss Sum because they were never named as a defendant for litigation. [00:12:43] Speaker 04: through the four amended complaints, there was never issue of a summons or service on some as a party, and therefore it was appropriate to dismiss some in its corporate capacity, as it was never named or served with process. [00:13:00] Speaker 04: On the issue of state action, the fact that some, which is a housing provider that provides services under contract with the Department of Behavioral Health, [00:13:11] Speaker 04: Provided housing to Mister Brown does not is not sufficient to establish that it was a state. [00:13:18] Speaker 04: The fact that district of Columbia provides housing to individuals receive mental health care is not is not sufficient to establish that any of these some employees were in fact state. [00:13:30] Speaker 04: All of the cases that are cited by Mr. Brown are distinguishable, because in those cases, not only was the state providing mental health services through its contractors, but in each of those cases, the plaintiff was in the custody and care specifically of the state. [00:13:49] Speaker 04: That fact is not present here, and therefore, there are no facts that are sufficient to establish that some was a state actor for the purposes of 1982. [00:14:00] Speaker 00: And do you contest then the felon's suggestion that this is a mandated service by the state? [00:14:10] Speaker 04: I do, Your Honor. [00:14:11] Speaker 04: I mean, there is a requirement, the Department of Mental Health provides services to people who are eligible and apply for such services, but there are many people in the District of Columbia who need and have mental health care, but they're not remanded to the custody of the District of Columbia. [00:14:29] Speaker 04: So that makes it distinguishable. [00:14:31] Speaker 04: Because although the Department of Mental Health is established to provide those services, it's not a requirement that everyone who is eligible go then into the custody of the district [00:14:41] Speaker 01: When was it established? [00:14:43] Speaker 04: I'm sorry? [00:14:44] Speaker 01: When was it established? [00:14:45] Speaker 04: I'm sorry, the Department of Behavioral Health. [00:14:48] Speaker 04: I'm sorry, I don't know the answer to that question. [00:14:51] Speaker 01: I think the standard here involves to a degree whether something has historically been a function solely of the state. [00:14:59] Speaker 04: That's correct. [00:15:01] Speaker 01: Which is not at all the case. [00:15:03] Speaker 04: That's correct. [00:15:07] Speaker 04: If there are no other questions, we're happy to rest on our paper. [00:15:11] Speaker 04: Thank you. [00:15:11] Speaker 04: Thank you. [00:15:19] Speaker 00: And we've allotted two minutes for rebuttal. [00:15:21] Speaker 02: Thank you. [00:15:23] Speaker 02: I'm going to have to bring the mic up so I can hear you, please. [00:15:35] Speaker 02: First to address Judge Ginsburg's concerns that [00:15:41] Speaker 02: This is not a store within the district. [00:15:45] Speaker 02: This is for housing. [00:15:50] Speaker 02: Dixon versus the Dixon incentive is more than 20 to 30 years old. [00:15:56] Speaker 02: This followed [00:15:58] Speaker 02: which required that the district will mandated that the district by housing services for particular classes. [00:16:10] Speaker 02: This is more analogous to West versus where the obligation was for particular class persons, that being prisoners within the system. [00:16:18] Speaker 02: Plus it was not the dispositive factor, but was dispositive as the application that was established. [00:16:24] Speaker 02: within a long-standing principle of the district, but in particular, the District of Columbia. [00:16:32] Speaker 02: It's been long since more than 20, 30 years. [00:16:34] Speaker 01: This is quite different from Wendell Baker's phone where the Supreme Court kind of looked at... Are there not other institutions that perform this function, non-public institutions? [00:16:50] Speaker 01: There are not. [00:16:51] Speaker 01: There are. [00:16:52] Speaker 01: But it's unlike a prison. [00:16:55] Speaker 02: Well, there's non-public prisons that provide functions, but there are private operating prisons that perform the same functions as state actions. [00:17:03] Speaker 02: There are state actions as well. [00:17:06] Speaker 02: So I don't think at that point that there are other non-public institutions that provide this service. [00:17:13] Speaker 02: In fact, some of them are non-public institutions, but they're providing within the mandates of the District of Columbia. [00:17:19] Speaker 02: And it's the obligation that establishes the state action. [00:17:23] Speaker 02: That's the premise of West versus Atkinson. [00:17:26] Speaker 02: And that is the premise that, well, that particularly was not addressed within HALC. [00:17:31] Speaker 02: HALC, in the footnote, specifically reserved on West versus Atkinson, whether or not, did not address the obligation theory of state action. [00:17:42] Speaker 02: I think that is very, within the district of, in the history of this system, is very defined, this obligation with the fine class of [00:17:52] Speaker 02: I think the consent decree recognized that there may be other mental health persons who would not be within the system because of sheer numbers, but that's still required mandate that a particular number of beds be provided within the mental health system. [00:18:15] Speaker 02: And to go further to back to address of roof 15 or the [00:18:23] Speaker 02: They claimed that there was 14 months, some period of time from the filing a complaint before or when Mr. Brown obtained the information for the lawsuit. [00:18:49] Speaker 02: This case was on a field day, so he could not have filed [00:18:55] Speaker 02: until the board set a time and order to file the second amendment. [00:19:02] Speaker 02: So that argument kind of takes the question. [00:19:06] Speaker 02: If you can't do it, then how could that happen? [00:19:10] Speaker 02: Or be held against it? [00:19:15] Speaker 02: And the 15C, I'd just like to restate the interest. [00:19:20] Speaker 02: Thank you. [00:19:23] Speaker 02: The case is submitted.