[00:00:00] Speaker 01: Case number 22-3078, the United States of America versus Denzel Moore appellant. [00:00:06] Speaker 01: Ms. [00:00:07] Speaker 01: Hernandez for the appellant, Mr. Goodhand for the appellate. [00:00:13] Speaker 00: Good morning. [00:00:14] Speaker 01: Good morning, Ms. [00:00:15] Speaker 01: Hernandez. [00:00:16] Speaker 00: Good morning, Your Honors. [00:00:17] Speaker 00: May it please the court? [00:00:18] Speaker 00: Carmen Hernandez, I represent Mr. Denzel Moore. [00:00:21] Speaker 00: I represented him below in a plea. [00:00:26] Speaker 00: The challenge in this case is that the district court [00:00:30] Speaker 00: erred procedurally and substantively in imposing a sentence at the very high end of the C plea. [00:00:38] Speaker 00: She ran the sentences consecutively and also varied upwardly. [00:00:44] Speaker 00: And the reasons she gave were not sufficient to support any kind of variance, particularly that strength. [00:00:54] Speaker 00: She also used the wrong standard in considering the arguments made by counsel [00:00:59] Speaker 00: For example, with respect to the gun enhancement that was challenged below, the argument was that he had received a full five level enhancement or the enhancement is applicable if the firearm was possessed or brandished. [00:01:17] Speaker 00: So when the argument was made, when I made the argument that he only possessed the firearm and that's more benign than brandishing and therefore he should not receive the whole five levels, Judge Chutkin's response was, the text says, the text covers possession. [00:01:35] Speaker 00: Well, that's not an appropriate answer because every request for a variance involves a request from what the text applies. [00:01:44] Speaker 00: In addition, when, [00:01:47] Speaker 00: I objected back to the court in post-sentence. [00:01:50] Speaker 00: I objected to the fact that the court had not considered any of the mitigating circumstances. [00:01:55] Speaker 00: The court's response was, I considered it in calculating the guideline range. [00:02:00] Speaker 00: Again, that's not an appropriate response. [00:02:03] Speaker 00: They are separate concepts. [00:02:05] Speaker 00: You don't barter. [00:02:06] Speaker 00: I gave you, first of all, [00:02:09] Speaker 00: The only enhancement she did not apply was a reckless endangerment, which she had not applied in the guilty plea of the defendant who actually drove the vehicle. [00:02:21] Speaker 00: And she had found that the driver had not engaged in reckless endangerment. [00:02:27] Speaker 00: because he was only driving 25 miles an hour and for other reasons. [00:02:32] Speaker 00: And the reckless endangerment enhancement only applies for the defendant's conduct. [00:02:37] Speaker 00: He was just a passenger. [00:02:39] Speaker 00: So again, she applied the wrong standard and you do not, it was a mixing of apples and oranges when you say, well, I gave consideration to the mitigating circumstances in [00:02:53] Speaker 00: when I calculated the guidelines. [00:02:54] Speaker 00: That's not how it works. [00:02:56] Speaker 00: They're separating and distinct. [00:02:58] Speaker 00: And she recognized that these were mitigating circumstances. [00:03:01] Speaker 00: The young man, his first offense, he was only 18 years old. [00:03:05] Speaker 00: And the whole Roper analysis of lack of maturity, she recognized that. [00:03:10] Speaker 00: He spent a lot of the time in DC jail, a very lengthy period of time because of the negotiations that took place in the case, at the worst possible time. [00:03:19] Speaker 00: Once it was during COVID, so inmates were locked in their cells for 23 hours a day. [00:03:26] Speaker 00: And we had a determination by the US Marshals. [00:03:30] Speaker 00: This wasn't a determination by defense counsel. [00:03:32] Speaker 00: Termination by US Marshals that the conditions at the DC jail were horrendous, that they met [00:03:39] Speaker 00: fell below the standards. [00:03:41] Speaker 01: Yeah. [00:03:42] Speaker 01: You said that the district court considered the mitigators in calculating the guidelines and that that's erroneous. [00:03:48] Speaker 01: But am I wrong to read the record as her also going back and referencing the mitigators in the sentencing? [00:03:58] Speaker 01: proceeding itself. [00:03:59] Speaker 01: I had thought that I had read that. [00:04:01] Speaker 01: But she gave no credit. [00:04:03] Speaker 01: So she sentenced the restraint. [00:04:06] Speaker 01: She considered, but then she gave no credit. [00:04:09] Speaker 01: Well, I'm not sure. [00:04:12] Speaker 01: What does consideration mean? [00:04:14] Speaker 01: Well, she referred to that. [00:04:16] Speaker 03: Yes. [00:04:17] Speaker 03: She was aware of them. [00:04:19] Speaker 03: She was aware of them. [00:04:20] Speaker 03: And she was aware of the aggravators, which was that your client shot two people during the murder. [00:04:27] Speaker 00: So my argument is that's not an aggravator. [00:04:29] Speaker 00: That is the offense. [00:04:31] Speaker 00: The offense is that if he hadn't shot two people, he wouldn't have been convicted and charged with that offense. [00:04:37] Speaker 00: So to say, well, you robbed a bank, therefore that's an aggravator. [00:04:41] Speaker 00: Well, that's the offense, robbing a bank. [00:04:44] Speaker 03: What's the offense of conviction? [00:04:47] Speaker 00: First degree burglary. [00:04:48] Speaker 03: Which requires what? [00:04:50] Speaker 00: Which requires entry into a home. [00:04:53] Speaker 03: Does not require shooting two people. [00:04:56] Speaker 00: It does not require shooting to people, but the guideline, that was a DC code violation. [00:05:01] Speaker 00: And it did take into account the aggravators. [00:05:04] Speaker 00: But she also, she didn't just say aggravators, she said it was so violent. [00:05:12] Speaker 00: And in her statement of reasons, she referred to it as extreme conduct. [00:05:17] Speaker 00: Nobody's defending the fact that you enter somebody's home and shoot somebody. [00:05:21] Speaker 00: That's not a good thing. [00:05:23] Speaker 00: But extreme conduct, as used in the guidelines and it's used in the case law, and as a basis for an upward variance, it usually means humiliating, [00:05:38] Speaker 00: you know, keeping somebody doing something heinous, that type of thing. [00:05:41] Speaker 01: These are two young adults living in the home, and they were unarmed. [00:05:47] Speaker 01: They did not make any move to assault the defendant and the defendant's accomplice. [00:05:57] Speaker 01: So is it not fair to treat the shooting as an aggravator? [00:06:05] Speaker 00: Again, I don't think it is in the sense that that is part of parcel of the offensive conviction. [00:06:12] Speaker 00: But even if that was an aggravator, she's still sentenced at the high end of every, she sentenced at the high end of the Hobbs Act robbery, even though he, the government had referred to him as a lookout. [00:06:26] Speaker 00: And yet, and he didn't brandish a firearm. [00:06:29] Speaker 00: He kept a firearm in his, he kept his hand in his pocket and it was assumed that he was indicating that he had a firearm. [00:06:36] Speaker 00: So there was nothing aggravating about a Hobbs Act robbery. [00:06:39] Speaker 00: I know this sounds, I'm not defending a robbery, but that's what the guideline range is. [00:06:44] Speaker 00: So he gets a full five levels, which he would have gotten if he had gone in there and brandished like the other guy who was the aggressor as the court indicated, he would have gotten the same guideline range. [00:06:56] Speaker 00: So she gave him high end, no reason to give him high end. [00:07:01] Speaker 00: She then ran the sentence consecutive. [00:07:03] Speaker 00: That's another sort of upward variance. [00:07:08] Speaker 01: She also noted that- You know more about this than I do, but the sentences, as I recall, she said she ran them consecutively because it wasn't the same event with various charges. [00:07:20] Speaker 01: They were separated in time. [00:07:23] Speaker 01: So really, in her view, [00:07:28] Speaker 01: this was somebody who had previously had run-ins with the law and had not, in her view, reformed. [00:07:38] Speaker 00: This is a kid with, I said he had reformed, and she and the judge did not take Kylie to my argument that he didn't brandish a firearm at the CBS, but that's true. [00:07:54] Speaker 00: This is a young man with, [00:07:57] Speaker 00: as a lot of young men that I represent, court-appointed cases, a young man with, but more so than most. [00:08:05] Speaker 00: I mean, he was five, six, epilepsy, still suffering from seizures at the DC jail during the most horrendous period of time. [00:08:13] Speaker 00: And so the last offense, he was there for longer than we usually have defendants in pretrial. [00:08:22] Speaker 00: And DC jail is not set up to handle pretrial. [00:08:26] Speaker 00: So the last offense, I would say, you know, you put people in those circumstances, you're going to get problems. [00:08:32] Speaker 00: And he's only 5'6", so he's going to defend himself. [00:08:35] Speaker 01: When you say the last offense, you mean the use of the shank? [00:08:37] Speaker 01: Yes, yes. [00:08:38] Speaker 01: I don't think you're challenging this, but the sea plea was based on what turned out in retrospect to be an erroneous guidelines calculation, but that was not something that was challenged. [00:08:55] Speaker 01: That deal was the deal, but it was a higher range, no? [00:08:59] Speaker 00: Correct. [00:09:01] Speaker 00: So, welcome to the world of plea agreements. [00:09:05] Speaker 00: You take it or leave it. [00:09:07] Speaker 00: So yes, especially with the seat plea, we're pleading to a range. [00:09:13] Speaker 00: We wanted to control the sentence the court was to impose. [00:09:17] Speaker 00: So the guideline calculation was lower. [00:09:20] Speaker 00: The guideline calculation that we believed when we entered into the plea agreement was higher than the accurate guidelines calculation. [00:09:29] Speaker 01: But that was just... [00:09:32] Speaker 01: resulted in a waiver unless you wanted to go back and renegotiate. [00:09:35] Speaker 01: Correct. [00:09:36] Speaker 00: And we were not going to get anything better. [00:09:38] Speaker 00: And the problem was that the original plea agreement didn't take into account the consecutive sentences that had to be imposed. [00:09:47] Speaker 00: So the plea number was wrong. [00:09:49] Speaker 00: So we went back and tried to redo the plea agreement. [00:09:54] Speaker 00: The charges were no different. [00:09:56] Speaker 00: The range that the government was prepared to provide, no matter what the guideline calculation was, that was the best range they were willing to provide. [00:10:05] Speaker 00: And this went back and forth for many. [00:10:07] Speaker 00: That was the best plea offer we got. [00:10:10] Speaker 00: And he accepted it. [00:10:12] Speaker 00: So there's no challenge to that before us. [00:10:15] Speaker 00: No. [00:10:15] Speaker 00: And in fact, it was brought out before sentencing. [00:10:18] Speaker 00: And Mr. Moore chose to waive it because he didn't want to stay at the DC jail for any longer. [00:10:27] Speaker 00: Right. [00:10:27] Speaker 00: I appreciate that. [00:10:30] Speaker 00: The bottom line is that even if the judge, I'm sorry, even if the judge had discretion, even if the judge had discretion to do this, the reasons she gave were not sufficient. [00:10:41] Speaker 01: All right, we will give you a couple minutes for rebuttal. [00:10:45] Speaker 01: Okay, thank you, Your Honor. [00:10:46] Speaker 01: Thank you. [00:10:58] Speaker 02: Good morning, Your Honors. [00:10:59] Speaker 02: May it please the court, David Goodhand for the United States. [00:11:03] Speaker 02: A couple things I'd like to respond to. [00:11:06] Speaker 02: Your honor has noted the wrinkle associated with the discrepancy between the 11 C1C plea and, on the one hand, and the ultimate range of 180. [00:11:18] Speaker 02: If the court looks at JA 150 to 151, you will see the district court very thoroughly address the discrepancy and ensure that everybody was on the same page and that there was no challenge. [00:11:31] Speaker 02: And then I'd go even a step further and I'd point out. [00:11:36] Speaker 02: J.A. [00:11:36] Speaker 02: 186, when the sentence has been handed down and the court is having a colloquy with defense counsel, the court actually notes that the 11C1C originally, quote, it would have been 159 months and asks defense counsel, are you saying that I'm somehow violating the terms of the plea agreement? [00:11:58] Speaker 02: And again, at J.A. [00:11:59] Speaker 02: 186, the court says, I'm not saying you're violating, I think, the plea agreement. [00:12:03] Speaker 02: And, you know, that makes perfect sense. [00:12:05] Speaker 02: The plea agreement, of course, establishes that the guideline ranges are estimates, number one, and that the ultimate authority for a sentence within the 120 to 180 month range is ultimately up to the court. [00:12:21] Speaker 02: The court here did not go above the 180 month range. [00:12:26] Speaker 02: Very briefly, with respect to the suggestion that the explanation was inadequate for the upward variance, I read this court's case law in gall to stand for just a couple of propositions if you distill it to its essence. [00:12:42] Speaker 02: Number one, you must relate the variance to this particular defendant. [00:12:47] Speaker 02: Well, certainly the court did that. [00:12:49] Speaker 02: at J 178, the court, this is an armed burglary where two civilians were shot by Mr. Moore. [00:12:55] Speaker 02: Mr. Moore didn't have to shoot them, J 171. [00:13:00] Speaker 02: Similarly, I see another fundamental tenant relating to upward variances under gall in this court's case law to stand for the proposition that the court should [00:13:09] Speaker 02: particularly a specific reason why the court has found the defendant's conduct, that particular defendant's conduct, more harmful or egregious than the typical case. [00:13:20] Speaker 02: And again, I think the court's comments adequately explained why this was more egregious. [00:13:26] Speaker 02: And in particular, I would point to J-186. [00:13:29] Speaker 02: The court said this was a crime of unusual violence, which of course it was. [00:13:34] Speaker 02: He pled guilty just to first degree burglary, not the first degree burglary while armed. [00:13:40] Speaker 02: So the court had a full understanding he had a gun. [00:13:43] Speaker 02: She also had a full understanding that he shot two people while engaging in the burglary. [00:13:51] Speaker 02: The court also, again, in the context of conduct more harmful or egregious than the typical case, I would point to JA 178. [00:13:58] Speaker 02: The court says, quote, I've had three or four cases in which a defendant fired a weapon, only two in which someone was actually wounded. [00:14:08] Speaker 02: So again, the notion that this somehow was an inadequate explanation from both the perspective of Gall and his court's cases in Brown and Steele's case in Jackson is, I would suggest, belied by the record. [00:14:22] Speaker 04: The council, the district court also checked the box in the statement of reasons for extreme conduct. [00:14:28] Speaker 04: And I just want to understand the government's position. [00:14:30] Speaker 04: Are you actually defending that finding or are you just saying she otherwise explained the basis for the upward variance in the oral explanation? [00:14:39] Speaker 02: Both, Your Honor. [00:14:41] Speaker 02: As Jackson articulates, it's not clear whether procedural rights are vested via 3553C2 Statement of Reasons. [00:14:55] Speaker 02: And so even if you assume they're not, even if you assume there are procedural rights vested via that statement, then you look to see whether or not there was adequate explanation at the time of the oral sentencing. [00:15:08] Speaker 02: There was, number one. [00:15:09] Speaker 02: Number two, again, to my mind, this is extreme conduct. [00:15:15] Speaker 02: As the court said, this was unusual violence. [00:15:17] Speaker 02: In the context of burglary, when you shoot two [00:15:20] Speaker 02: persons with a gun than you are in the context of extreme conduct. [00:15:26] Speaker 02: So I think we satisfy either if you look at 3553C2 as providing vested rights and or if you don't and you look at just the oral sentencing. [00:15:38] Speaker 02: I'd be happy to address any additional questions that the court might have. [00:15:43] Speaker 02: We believe the court, both procedurally and substantively, adhered to the guidelines. [00:15:50] Speaker 02: And this court's precedent and Supreme Court precedent, we'd ask that you affirm the sentence and the judgment. [00:15:58] Speaker 02: Thank you. [00:15:59] Speaker 01: Thank you. [00:16:04] Speaker 00: Thank you, Your Honor. [00:16:06] Speaker 00: Let me just address a few points the government made. [00:16:08] Speaker 00: It's true, the court said I've only handled two or three cases. [00:16:11] Speaker 00: But that's a function of the difference between superior court and federal court. [00:16:15] Speaker 00: There aren't spirit court or street crimes where you get that kind of shootings and that type. [00:16:21] Speaker 00: You do not get that in federal court generally. [00:16:23] Speaker 00: So that doesn't make the offense more heinous than normal. [00:16:30] Speaker 00: The question the court asked whether she considered the mitigating circumstances. [00:16:35] Speaker 00: The response she gave when I brought up the fact that she hadn't considered was, I did consider it in setting the guideline range. [00:16:45] Speaker 00: That's not consideration of mitigating. [00:16:47] Speaker 00: That's the wrong standard I would submit to the court. [00:16:51] Speaker 01: That's saying. [00:16:51] Speaker 01: And where do we look to see, to appreciate? [00:16:54] Speaker 01: Is there any authority on that being the wrong standard? [00:16:57] Speaker 01: I don't. [00:16:59] Speaker 00: They're two separate things. [00:17:01] Speaker 00: The guidelines say calculate the guideline range one, and two, look at the 3553A factors. [00:17:09] Speaker 00: They don't say you can fold them in together, and therefore the answer is. [00:17:16] Speaker 00: So the extreme conduct, this does not fit extreme conduct, as that term is defined in the case law. [00:17:29] Speaker 00: The gun enhancement, again, she did that same thing where she said she used the wrong standard because she said the text covers it. [00:17:38] Speaker 00: And then lastly, every sentence she gave for each of the offenses, including the Hobbs Act robbery, for which was not extreme, was high-end and then consecutive. [00:17:50] Speaker 00: So that, even though she recognized [00:17:53] Speaker 00: looking at hundreds of cases, the average sentences for Hobbsack robberies, and even though she recognized that in every instance, the sentences imposed, the average in hundreds of cases was below what she was imposing. [00:18:07] Speaker 00: So it was not only the fact that she upwardly varied, but that she ran them consecutively. [00:18:14] Speaker 00: And that's inconsistent with the guidelines, by the way. [00:18:19] Speaker 01: Did you have one more point you wanted to make? [00:18:20] Speaker 00: No, that's it. [00:18:23] Speaker 00: He's a young man with a lot of mitigating circumstances, and he got no credit for the mitigating circumstances, Your Honor. [00:18:31] Speaker 00: Thank you very much. [00:18:32] Speaker 01: Thank you, Ms. [00:18:33] Speaker 01: Hernandez. [00:18:34] Speaker 01: You were appointed by the court to represent Mr. Moore in this case, and we very much thank you for your assistance. [00:18:45] Speaker 01: Thank you. [00:18:45] Speaker 01: The case is submitted.