[00:00:39] Speaker 03: The next target case is number 15, 1948, Bosch Automative Service Submissions against Hotel Incorporated. [00:00:50] Speaker 03: Mr. McCarthy. [00:00:52] Speaker 00: May I please the court? [00:00:54] Speaker 00: There are two points I'd like to try to meet this morning. [00:00:58] Speaker 00: The first thing is that the invention of the 796 patent is a universal tool. [00:01:04] Speaker 00: And the inventors here, they recognized the need for a universal tool. [00:01:09] Speaker 00: And they defined the problem by doing that. [00:01:13] Speaker 00: And that was part of the invention was that they figured out the need that didn't exist before that. [00:01:21] Speaker 00: Prior art, however, was describing universal sensors and not universal tools to activate the sensors. [00:01:29] Speaker 00: So the McClellan reference, for example, which clearly described a continuous wave method of activation, [00:01:38] Speaker 00: There's no recognition anywhere in McClelland of a need for a tool to activate different kinds of sensors or different methods of activation. [00:01:47] Speaker 00: McClelland's theory, if you follow probably his business plan, was that everyone has the same kind of sensors, and then they use his tool to activate them. [00:01:58] Speaker 00: And the same thing with Kranz, which clearly used a modulated wave method of activation. [00:02:05] Speaker 00: Kranz did not recognize any need for a universal tool either. [00:02:09] Speaker 00: In fact, Kranz specifically suggested that all vehicles in a fleet use the same type of sensor. [00:02:17] Speaker 00: And that brings us to Dixit, which of course was a big item of contention between the parties. [00:02:24] Speaker 00: Dixit did not describe a universal tool. [00:02:28] Speaker 00: He does use the term universal tool, but he doesn't describe the universal tool. [00:02:33] Speaker 00: Dixit required universal sensors. [00:02:37] Speaker 00: Now, I understand that a patent is enabling for, or is presumed to be enabling, and Dixit certainly is enabling for what he described, which was a method of programming bits into sensors. [00:02:50] Speaker 00: But where the board relied on Dixit to show that it's a generic tool, it's only a generic tool if everyone uses Dixit sensors. [00:03:00] Speaker 00: And that is not really a generic tool. [00:03:02] Speaker 00: Dixit sensors would have to have a writable memory. [00:03:06] Speaker 00: They'd have to have a controller so that they could write to that memory. [00:03:10] Speaker 01: I guess the understanding from Dixit was just the quoted sentences that showed that from Dixit there was an appreciation in the art for coming up with a universal tool that could work in a lot of different contexts, which to me sounds a lot like [00:03:29] Speaker 01: when I'm at home and I have a remote control for the TV, and I have remote control for the DVD, and I have remote control for the Xbox, and I think, gosh, it'd be pretty nice to have just one remote control that could talk to all these different devices. [00:03:45] Speaker 01: And that's kind of what your invention is, right? [00:03:49] Speaker 01: The ability to talk to different, you know... That's an absolutely fair analogy. [00:03:54] Speaker 00: ...monitoring systems. [00:03:55] Speaker 00: Absolutely. [00:03:57] Speaker 00: Dixit, what Dixit recognized was if your DVD and your VCR and your TV all use the same kind of sensor, then you only need one tool. [00:04:06] Speaker 00: But that's not the way that the tire sensor business works, because it's just like your electronics. [00:04:12] Speaker 00: Your DVD player has a different method than the TV or the VCR or your Xbox or whatever kind of devices you have. [00:04:23] Speaker 00: By analogy, the 796 patent is you have one tool and it will use one method for your television and it will use a different method to control your DVD player and a different method to control your VCR. [00:04:35] Speaker 00: Dixit would only have one tool if all of those used the same method of control or method of activation. [00:04:43] Speaker 00: And that's why Dixit, I agree, he uses the term universal tool [00:04:47] Speaker 00: But he's not describing a universal tool. [00:04:50] Speaker 00: He's describing a tool with a universal sensor. [00:04:55] Speaker 00: Because that's all he described was one way of writing bits to a sensor, to our TMS sensor. [00:05:04] Speaker 00: So that is not a universal tool. [00:05:06] Speaker 00: That's a universal sensor. [00:05:09] Speaker 00: The device that, excuse me, the reference that did recognize being somewhat of a universal tool was Howell. [00:05:17] Speaker 00: which would use different methods of activation, but Howell was not for our TMS systems and didn't teach anything about activation of sensors on tires. [00:05:30] Speaker 00: So the combination does not teach the claims which were for this universal tool of at least two methods of activation. [00:05:41] Speaker 00: Now I was criticized for [00:05:43] Speaker 00: arguing the references individually, and I've done that this morning, I recognize. [00:05:48] Speaker 00: But it's because when you have a series of references or a number of references that are relied upon to create a combination that supposedly makes the claims obvious, if one of those does not do what it's relied upon for, then the combination fails. [00:06:08] Speaker 00: So if you have a three-legged stool and you knock out one leg, [00:06:14] Speaker 00: your stool's not going to stand up anymore. [00:06:16] Speaker 00: And so the Dixit case in particular, excuse me, the Dixit reference, is not a universal tool. [00:06:23] Speaker 00: Despite using that term, it does not describe a universal tool. [00:06:27] Speaker 00: And so the combination that was relied upon by the board does not teach the claims or suggest the claims. [00:06:34] Speaker 01: Can we talk about Howell? [00:06:36] Speaker 01: Howell seems to be the bridge, or if Dixit doesn't [00:06:44] Speaker 01: provide the bridge, then at least Howell appears to provide the bridge, at least under a substantial evidence standard, for an appreciation that when there's a lot of different communication systems with different end products, then Howell tells us [00:07:02] Speaker 01: Well, let's create a universal tool, a handheld unit, that is able to remotely talk with each of those end products in accordance with the particular system that each product contains. [00:07:17] Speaker 01: And so therefore that known insight for remotely communicating between a whole host of different devices [00:07:28] Speaker 01: was applied or would be obvious to apply to this other situation, which is what you have claimed here with talking to different tire pressure monitoring systems? [00:07:41] Speaker 00: It's obvious to apply that if there's some reason to do that, such as market pressure, which was recognized in the KSR case, which was not present in this case. [00:07:52] Speaker 00: Looking back now, almost every car now has these kind of pressure systems. [00:07:57] Speaker 00: At the time of the invention, though, they weren't required by law. [00:08:01] Speaker 00: They're required now. [00:08:03] Speaker 00: So there wasn't market pressure for these kind of tools. [00:08:06] Speaker 00: So yes, I agree under the substantial evidence standard that Howell does show a universal tool for RFID tags, but not for tire pressure monitoring systems. [00:08:21] Speaker 00: And so it's our contention that by using the roadmap of the 796 patent, [00:08:27] Speaker 00: You can look back and say, well, yeah, that was obvious to combine all these prior art references. [00:08:34] Speaker 00: But that's only if you know today what we know now. [00:08:39] Speaker 00: And at the time of the invention, that was not at all obvious. [00:08:43] Speaker 00: And therefore, I actually define that these claims are not obvious over the combination cited by the board. [00:08:52] Speaker 00: The second thing I wanted to discuss was the McClellan case in a little bit more detail, because McClellan is relied upon both for anticipation and for obviousness. [00:09:03] Speaker 00: And McClellan only described a tool with one means for activation. [00:09:08] Speaker 00: And he did say, well, other frequencies or ranges of frequencies may be used. [00:09:16] Speaker 00: But it's significant that he didn't say additional frequencies may be used. [00:09:20] Speaker 00: He said other ranges. [00:09:23] Speaker 00: He said different frequencies and maybe substituted. [00:09:28] Speaker 00: And substituted to me means that you use it in place of something else. [00:09:33] Speaker 00: So McClellan doesn't suggest using one range, one frequency, and then use another frequency. [00:09:39] Speaker 00: He says he only describes one frequency. [00:09:43] Speaker 00: And you can't use his disclosure or his description of his tool as a roadmap to find a [00:09:51] Speaker 00: device that activates at two different frequencies. [00:09:54] Speaker 00: Now he does say ranges of frequencies, which my expert says is a vague term. [00:10:02] Speaker 00: And it is because we don't know what it means. [00:10:04] Speaker 00: Because is a range just the Gaussian curve around 125 megahertz? [00:10:12] Speaker 00: Or is it everything from 125 up to something else? [00:10:17] Speaker 00: In any event, it's still a different range of frequencies. [00:10:21] Speaker 00: It doesn't lead anyone to think, well, hey, I could use this tool to activate at two different frequencies. [00:10:28] Speaker 00: He only describes one frequency. [00:10:30] Speaker 00: And therefore, he doesn't anticipate, and he doesn't render obvious either. [00:10:36] Speaker 00: Because the board noted that a person of skill in the art understanding the problems presented by incompatible sensors. [00:10:43] Speaker 00: But there was not a recognition of a problem of incompatible sensors for our TMS systems. [00:10:51] Speaker 00: until the inventors of the 796 patent recognized the problem. [00:10:56] Speaker 00: They recognized it. [00:10:57] Speaker 00: Nobody else did. [00:10:58] Speaker 00: And therefore, the claims are not anticipated. [00:11:02] Speaker 00: And they're not obvious over the art, as I've discussed. [00:11:08] Speaker 00: Thank you. [00:11:09] Speaker 03: Thank you, Mr. McCarthy. [00:11:14] Speaker 02: Ms. [00:11:15] Speaker 02: Lynch, may it please the court? [00:11:19] Speaker 02: Tools that can activate tire sensors were known in the art. [00:11:23] Speaker 02: And Bosch has claimed a tool that can simply use tire sensors using two or more of these known methods. [00:11:29] Speaker 02: Bosch argues that his claimed tool isn't obvious because there wasn't any design need or market pressure. [00:11:34] Speaker 02: But the prior art discloses both the design need and market pressure. [00:11:38] Speaker 02: Prior Art Howell talks about the incompatibility between what was currently on the market and says that that's hindering the widespread adoption of the technology. [00:11:47] Speaker 03: Doesn't that support their position? [00:11:49] Speaker 03: The need was long recognized and unsatisfied. [00:11:54] Speaker 03: The long-felt need is a significant factor, is it not? [00:11:59] Speaker 02: It can be a significant factor. [00:12:01] Speaker 02: Bosch doesn't argue that there was a long-felt need in this case. [00:12:04] Speaker 02: They don't make any of that showing whatsoever. [00:12:07] Speaker 02: So the prior art basically... They don't have to. [00:12:09] Speaker 03: The prior art says so. [00:12:10] Speaker 03: So this is a long-felt need for some kind of universal device. [00:12:16] Speaker 02: The prior art didn't say there was a long-felt need. [00:12:18] Speaker 03: They just said at that... You've cited that prior art as the basis for all business. [00:12:25] Speaker 02: Correct. [00:12:25] Speaker 02: And so the prior art howl says at that time there was an incompatibility between the current things on the market. [00:12:32] Speaker 02: That's all it says. [00:12:33] Speaker 02: It didn't say that there was a long-felt need. [00:12:36] Speaker 02: It didn't say that people had tried and failed to fix this. [00:12:39] Speaker 02: Nothing. [00:12:40] Speaker 02: It just said that things were incompatible and that was known in the art. [00:12:44] Speaker 02: And so the board correctly found that based on this known incompatibility, a person of ordinary skill in the art would have been motivated to make a tool that used more than one method in order to decrease the number of tools that they had to use. [00:12:58] Speaker 00: As to McClelland... Is there any suggestion that combining these various tools was technologically difficult or complex? [00:13:07] Speaker 02: No. [00:13:09] Speaker 02: Bosch made no such arguments that that would be beyond the skill of a person of ordinary skill in the art. [00:13:14] Speaker 02: And then McColland, it does suggest more than one frequency when it says ranges of frequency. [00:13:19] Speaker 02: And the board explains that at page 835 of its decision. [00:13:24] Speaker 02: If the court has no further questions, I will yield my time. [00:13:32] Speaker 03: Thank you. [00:13:34] Speaker 03: Mr. McCarthy, your last word. [00:13:38] Speaker 00: I don't really have anything to add other than what I've already said. [00:13:41] Speaker 03: Okay. [00:13:43] Speaker 03: Thank you. [00:13:43] Speaker 03: Thank you both. [00:13:44] Speaker 03: The case is taken into submission.